More on the VR4seIII

Drhst20: based on the "liquid so thick" quote I will have to agree LAMM M1.1, M1.2, as a Lamm owner I can attest because I'm willing to listen to a Class A amp in Phoenix during the summer!

VTL450/750

There is not a cheap high current option here to get what you want but there is Agon to buy it used.

Goodluck

Drhst20, It sounds like youve heard exactley what Im talking about.Im not real sure alot of the fine people who have been trying very generousley to help me have. This is not a veiled muted, or in any way phoney sound,and I know first hand that you do not have to have all tube to get it. Ill explain later. This is dynamic foot stomping live you are there bliss. Image float. You can here the guitar string plucked, and then it will expand depending on the amount of sustain the musician is useing. The soundstage is in front rather than pulling you on stage with them. Yet you are enveloped into almost a bubble of the entire event, and yes delicate when needed also.Point is the bass will come up off the floor and kick you in the chest, and the music seems to push itself right out of the speakers that arnt there anymore and right through your soul.Some notes feel as if you could actualy reach up and pull them out of the air. Like liquid music, and no Im not on drugs right now> If I tell you what I experienced this on your all going to want to hang me! I had this bliss for two weeks on my then system, and was never able to get it back. Thats why Im here now.I have to close now but Ill kiss anyone who can figure out how to help me get it back at anywhere near what that system Im talking about retailed for. Less than 4000.00 Anybody want a kiss. Im looking at 5 times that in front of me right now so you have a headstart, getting closer, but still not there yet. Thats my mission in life now.HA-HA, its really not funny though because its driveing me crazy.

Map1, if you're still out there, I'd like to know if you've reached a resolution regarding your dilema?

Your last post seems almost a bit incoherent but I would to suggest first that I doubt your speakers are at issue.

How about your amps? Amplification is probably your first area of deficiency. There are certainly better amps than the LAMM or the belles. Have you tried the Nuforce Reference 9 amps?

Next you mention the Notingham TT which is a fine TT. But what about a better digital source? One of the modded units such as Exemplar or the APL 3910 should help address your concerns.

No kisses please. I'm just doing my job.

Just an idea, dnapster or i mac/book some priest or iron maiden into your system. Try turning up the volume on the notebook or source. I personally have very good components, probably better than necessary for the Black Sabbath. Bel canto Amps Bridged to 400 wpc with Bel Canto pre-pro, and jolida tube cd. Although you may not get the exact imaging so popular in classical you can determine whether or not you really need to spend more $$$ on gear to drive the speakers etc. Also if you get some really good downloads, buy a device from Harmon Kardon from e-bay for the incredible price of $4-$12 yes that is $12.00 significantly less than one ben franklin which allows you to go from Computer to usb, then get a DAC (with USB), you will probably have to buy a non recognized audiophile brand, something more along the musical line, go to your local guitar center, (they probably have the unit I am speaking of for $150.00.
Still need more volume, duplicate your speakers, (buy another pair same manufacturer and make with matching amps). If you really are a black t-shirt guy then you know that the late Steve Clark (awesome guitar for the leppard until he rock, rock, till he dropped), and Mick Mars use more than one Marshall Amp. I guess what I am trying to convey is that if you want live metal kick, then wire the system like a concert not the San Francisco Phil Harmonic (spend the money where it counts). Many audiophile experts will criticize this post with all sorts of advice on what they would do, but utlimately what is important is how your system sounds to you. They also probably don't know that Motleys Too Fast for Love was produced for less than 50K, in fact I think it was recorded for less than 12, (what I am saying is that the original masters and live music will never have a controlled room jazz feel, most gibson, fender, or ibanez hard rock guitars are wired to Marshall(my guitar center friend calls these the kings of the distortion amps), thus for metal or anything in my opinion louder than Bryan Adams,to buy speakers with ridiculously expensive tweeters, which you may replace later due to blowout from super loud guitar solos might not be the thing to do. If you must amp how about two bel canto ev0-4s used, bridge them to 400 and then bi-amp, yes that is 800 watts per speaker, just be careful with the volume or you will be buying new speakers, or just buy one and use it for the bottom. It could be a versatile solution if you decide to go to two speaker pairs. I also agree with the db explanation for speakers. Let me know what you find out through experimentation. FYI, I have never had long hair, am a college graduate, and drive a ultra yuppie m3 beamer. I just know what I like to listen to when my wife attorney leaves the house on Saturday to go to the grocery. Rock On and please don't hesitate to respond if you need more help.