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Bill says get a good body with broken tip/shaft and have Steve at VAS put new stylus on it.
VAS is only 1/2 hr away from me, and I want him to bias my Cayin AT88mk1 amp (internal bias) so I have reason to go there, and my good friend's Grace has a functioning but bent cantilever |
chackster
thanks, not to be argumentative, but the Dynavector output is ,25mv, the Cambridge says min .3mv, I have no idea, but my instincts are to get above the minimum, hence .5mv
hdm1 said .35 better IHO, than .5mv
is there a link or 2 to some good article(s) about MC I should be reading? |
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specs of that Denon 301 seem right in my range
Full specs:
Format: moving coil type
Output voltage: 0.3mV (1kHz 5cm / s in the horizontal direction)
Playback frequency range: 20Hz ~ 60kHz (the graph in the Gramophone review on vinylengine showed it to be dead flat to within about ±1dB up to 45kHz, the maximum frequency they tested it to)
40Ω: output impedance
Matched load: 100Ω or more (transformer 40Ω)
Channel separation: 28dB or more (1kHz)
Channel balance: 1dB or less (1kHz)
Static compliance: 35 × 10 (to the power of) -6cm/dyne
Dynamic compliance: 13 × 10-6cm/dyne (100Hz record measurement)
Needle tip: 0.14 × 0.07 mm square solid diamond special ellipse needle
Proper stylus force: 1.4g ± 0.2g
good first step into MC? |
thanks everyone, learning bit by bit, I'll check out the suggestions.
Steve at VAS said nay on the Dynavector Karat
"It's best not to take a chance on the DV karat cartridges. More often then than not, there is more damage than what you expect".
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I was reading about that Hana, made me want to click 'add to cart', but not that much money 'yet'. not until I hear some magic beyond my beloved Shure/Jico SAS I like the Denon DL-301II more as I read users comments all over the web, and it fits my desired output at .4mv and light tracking force range 1.2-1.6g new via ebay, $300.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/274398854460
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To Clarify: MC Preamp: I sent the Cambridge Duo back, I will be trying a new to me MC cartridge temporarily using Bill's SUT, (and hearing a few of his MC cartridges) to see if I get over my long standing resistance to MC, so no mc preamp exists, anything can be matched to an eventual cartridge selection. I do prefer staying close to 1.5g tracking as a goal ................................................... my system is very resolving, anything right or wrong will be revealed, I just switched McIntosh SS for Tube amp/preamp last year, and all new to me TT plinth/spinner/dual arms with much help from members here earlier this year. solid foundation JVC Victor Large Dual Arm Plinth (7 layers, 70mm thick)
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649402362-victor-jvc-clp2d-rosewood-plinth-for-tt71-tt81-tt101-direct-drive-turntablerare/images/1737857/
JVC Victor
TT81 Quartz Locked Direct Drive
http://www.thevintageknob.org/jvc-TT-81.html
rear arm, Acos Lustre GST 801, changable headshell,
now Grado mono, new to me MC will go here
https://reverb.com/item/32656865-acos-lustre-gst-801-tonearm-rare
Long Side Arm, 12.5" effective 'Blackbird' (cartridge fixed to arm, no headshell). shure V15vxmr body/jico boron/sas with brush here
http://newartvinyl.ru/board/detali_proigryvatelja/tonarm_black_bird12_5_carbon/7-1-0-41
both arms into McIntosh tube tuner/preamp's phono 1 and phono 2
https://positive-feedback.com/Issue77/vintage_mcintosh_experience.htm
I have a stronger grip on this than Charlton Heston had on his rifle. Cayin A88T Integrated Tube Amp (mki for 16 ohm taps)
https://6moons.com/audioreviews/cayin/a88t.html
Speakers: custom rosewood enclosures, electrovoice drivers from 1958 Fisher President Console: 15" woofer 15w, a 37lb beast
https://reverb.com/item/2307415-electro-voice-model-15w-alnico-magnet-15-woofer-new-in-original-box-nos
horn mid and horn tweet t350
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114194791589
original electrovoice crossovers and rheostats for brilliance and presence ...............................................
Just finished new to me TT in my office, Mitsubishi Vertical Linear LT-5V. AT440ml now, will try MC here also
https://www.vintageaudioexchange.com/product/mitsubishi-turntable-model-lt-5v
IF I get hooked by MC, it will go in main system. For compliance, my instincts are the Acos arm will be best to try MC. .................................. It may seem I am being 'cheap' trying to stay below $400., but you have to admit, this MC world is full of ..., so a reasonably revealing start _____? thanks again for help with this |
Oh boy, what a bottomless pit, my arse hurts!
resolved:
better double budget to $800.
tip to be advanced groove contact: LC, MR, SAS, Shibata
aluminum ok, boron preferred, I avoid more brittle than that.
mc boost to have adjustable loading
tracking force, still like closer to 1.5g, hard to get with MC I see now.
When I make a lot of effort, all this reading, jumping hither and thither, I want to GET something for my effort. I am doing my best to resist 'ADD TO CART'.
I gotta wait till Bill brings two of his MC to listen to here, then IN or OUT?
meanwhile,
MI Moving Iron, the story makes sooo much sense, yet the resultant specs don't seem to indicate achievement of superior channel separation/balance ..., and the prices, forget Soundsmith.
Perhaps Goldring, there is a UK supplier with a new 2400 for $500. Monster 6.5mv output, no mc boost needed.
HOMC, today's research, better get a pillow to sit on. |
uber
yes, I read about that nice Soundsmith advantage, but 1st LC tip is Zephyr MKIII, $1,500. rebuild only $300. in future, |
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I lost track (npi), is what a question? |
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uberwaltz
that is a clever way to use it.
what range signal strength input is this Denon au320 compatible with?
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If I go MC, main system, I will
either
need to boost just enough to go into McIntosh mx110z phono stage which I, and Bill think is wonderful. So, a SUT's range is important to learn about also.
or
separate phono stage for full boost/equalize and go into Cayin or Chase line In.
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Bill, uber, others
SUT's,
using these, it is just a signal strength boost, eq/volume control happens in my mx110z phono input,
does it mean, if noise avoided, SUT boost does not effect sound, it's the eq and further signal boost of the preamp that effects the sound?
or, do SUT's color the sound also? |
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HOMC To save cost of pre-preamp, and extra unit in system, I hopped around looking at HOMC. Perhaps havs VAS change tip of a used one. I generally found, the channel separation is lessened in HOMC, with a few exceptions. i.e. this Dynavector DV-20a type 2, 3.6mv, sep only 20db
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dynavector-Systems-Ltd-DV-20A-Type-2-high-output-Moving-Coil-MC-Cartridge-tested/303342229103
The Hana SH, shibata/alum 2.0mv, sep 28db seems like the highest sep in my budget. A SUT would get that up to go into mx110z phono eq
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hana-SH-High-Output-Moving-Coil-MC-Shibata-Phono-Cartridge-Authorized-Dealer/264679147741
I found the cool looking Sony XL-MC series, they have high sep 30db, tight bal 1.5db,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-Altmark-Moving-Coil-Cartridge-XL-MC1/254641741592
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-XL-MC-3-Cartridge-With-FR-Headshell-In-Excellent-Condition/333437737354
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-XL-MC3-MC-Cartridge/254246960065
this rare xl-mc7, shibata/boron went for $995. incl fees and del from Japan
http://yahoo.aleado.com/lot?auctionID=t735366377#enlargeimg
................................ 1. any comments about HOMC separation 2. any comments about Sony XL-MC series? |
by the way, the Roland is a bust,
sounded horrible, tubby bass, no involvement in favorite recordings which sounded wonderful again when played on his current preamp back to back.
he knew it had a problem, couldn't remember what, it might have been wrong resistors for his grace cartridge, ....
but it sounded bad on CD and Phono, so it's needing doctoring
It seems a shame, so I wrote to Jeff Rowland asking for a ballpark estimate to overhaul/upgrade it.
I don't think I will use it, but perhaps have it fixed for my friend's birthday. |
lewm, chackster, thanks for the help.
lewm,
I am in a learning stage, there is a point, and you and others have been generous with your advice, so I link items to keep learning, possibly buy. Anything I learn helps me with the next thing I read about.
If two cartridges are highly recommended, I will go with better separation/balance specs, yes it has to sound musical/involving, but good separation makes a difference, one of the true advantages of reel to reel.
Luckily, I am 1/2 hr away from Steve at VAS, 1-1/2 hr away from Bill, and Bill knows Steve well, so I can buy a problem and have it fixed.
always looking for comments/advice about things I find that are interesting, or raise questions. I just got a lot of answers/advice in 1 response from you and 1 from chackster.
I am warming up to the idea of a SUT into my mx110z phono preamp rather than a separate phono preamp, as I love the tube phono in the mx110z, and it has two inputs. I would leave the shure/sas/boron on the long side arm, and put the MC ___? on the rear Acos. Then, when I play mono, off comes the mc, on goes the grado mono. Acos is a snap to re calibrate and the easiest VTA on the fly I have ever seen.
I am hoping someone has some experience with the Sony xl-mc series, just to know about them. Onlt thing I read is one person said his was a poor tracker.
As for dry suspension, chackster's answer fits my suspicion about old drying out. I ask Steve at VAS if he could work on a specific model cartridge I find tempting, before I write to the seller. He said avoid Dynavector Karat, often much wrong inside, and that he could replace suspension of the stiff AT ART 2000mc.
So, if Chackster thinks the AT ART 2000MC is a worthy contender, combined with very good separation, and tight balance, advanced shaft/tip, Steve to fix it, it then comes down to price.
And, if vintage suspensions dry out, maybe I want a decent price of one needing a new suspension rather than one as old but 'still good'.
I am not going in search of the holy grail, just trying to get and be smart with help here before I try something. |
yes, funny,
we didn't get the novel, yet, the joke probably set some editing in gear.
I would like to know what chackster and others think about re-tipping.
one option is to find a nice model with elliptical and have Steve at VAS change to a variation of line contact for greater groove contact.
Bill says Denon 103 sounds wonderfully musical, and I could change their conical tip to ___.
anyone? |
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I ordered the AT33PTG/2, couldn't wait any more, thanks for the advice I couldn't wait for
it will be here thursday, will try it via Bill's SUT when he brings his Denon 103
it's specs are nearly identical to the 20 year old ART2000mc, and I have read good things from owners on-line.
I feel like I got out of jail now that this is over, unless it sounds like crap! |
yeah, the work on an old one idea wasn't appealing the more that I thought about it
retipping a fairly new one, damaged or worn could be a good alternative, opposed to the opportunity to try something new. |
