Match Amp w/Tekton Design Lore


I recently purchased a pair of Tekton Design Lore speakers. I made this move because of all the reviews about how well they work with tubes. I'm using these with a variant of the YAQIN MC-100B Integrate. This unit has been upgrade with some "better" internals.My issue is, although the Tektons sound okay, they leave me somewhat underwhelmed. The Integrate puts out 60 watts per in UL & 30 watts per in Triode. It runs the speakers in Triode but I've found that the speakers need the higher wattage of UL. Being a 98 db efficiency speaker, I thought that even the 30 tube watts would drive the speakers with ease. They do drive them but I can turn volume ALL the way up and still could go louder. (I'm using KT 88 Gold Lion power tubes) Yes, I have enough hours on the speakers to break them in. I do not listen at ear drum breaking levels but it's just lacking in overall quality of sound. My B&W bookshelves sound great with this amp and they are much less efficient not to mention only a 6.5 inch main speaker.
So I guess I'm asking if anyone has experienced a need for these Lore speakers to be matched with a higher output amp? Sure, 30 tube watts drive them but, for me, leave something to be desired.
wcc10

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I should add that I was hoping the Lores would be somewhat dynamic, maybe not as much as the bookshelves but even on Triode they don't have much of a sound stage. Maybe I'm expecting too much?
Yes, more info.First, in UL there definitely is more "umph" obviously due to 2x watts.Room is 22x15x8.5 with lots of furniture & a heavy carpet covering most of the wood floor. Doorway at end of room at direction speakers are pointing. They are towed in slightly.
Speakers are about 7.5 feet apart and about 5 feet from rear wall although there are 2 large pieces of furniture behind each, but still 2 feet from furniture.
Source is mostly older Oppo transport/SACD player or Marantz Trasnport. I do have a sub but don't use it.All cables with both Lore & B&W bookshelves are the same.Don't get me wrong they play louder than I'm comfortable with but mostly on UL setting. There is an obvious difference in depth of soundstage between Triode & UL but with Triode I can go to full volume with ease while wanting more. I don't expect the Lores to be as dynamic as the bookshelves but hoped for more.Am I expecting too much?

Perhaps I have a different meaning for "dynamic" sound. For me that has always meant like a 3d sound stage. And this is what I get with the bookshelves. It is easier to place the different instruments in a 3 or 4 piece band dehind the speakers. The Lores produce somewhat of a "deep" soundstage but in comparison they are just "there." Not completely, but to some extent.And snapsc, bass is not an issue even without the sub. I should probably try it for ambience as you said. But to be honest, depending on the track, the Lores can get somewhat "boomy."
But I did discover something that helped a bunch!The MIT speaker cables I'm using have flex pin banana pins but they are somewhat thin. When inserted into the binding posts on the speakers, even when tighten completely down they can still be removed and even turned. To me this is not a good connection! So Instead of inserting the bananas into the posts the conventional way I inserted them into the eyelet on the post and screwed the nut down tight. Good connection and MUCH better sound! I was flabbergasted! It is so significant that I can say with confidence that it is not a figment of my imagination!Long post so time to play around with speaker placement, subwoofer, and eventually possibly amplifiers. I swore I'd never go back to solid state and I still feel that way. Fun hobby!
I like that post and I can definitely relate to limiting myself to playing mostly music that sounds good on my system. I suppose we all are guilty on some level to be looking for the speaker or system that plays everything really great. I only hope when I find it I will be able to convince the wife that we need it!
Thanks snapsc. Yes I know the furniture is killing me insofar as acoustics go. I really don't have much leeway in that regard unfortunately. But the DAC isn't really something I even considered. My BDP-95 is ancient but, as you know, it's built like a tank and over sound quality is quite good. My Marantz DAC is newer but what it produces is not quite as "dynamic" as the OPPO. So an upgrade there is an interesting idea to say the least. Thanks for mentioning it. I will have to do some comparison research between the 203 & 205. I'm not sure I could justify spending twice what I paid for the Tekton speakers onĀ  the 205. Maybe pre-owned here on Audiogon!.

So I ordered a new OPPO UDP-203 on eBay. They are asking over $2k for the 205 & that's a bit rich for me at this point. But I'm wondering now if the UDP-203 audio quality will be as good or better than my current OPPO BDP-95? I'm aware of the short comings of the UDP-203 compared to the UDP-205 least of which, no streaming and the audio enhancements of the 205. If anyone has any input between the UDP-203 & BDP-95 I'd appreciate it.
Yes, tweak, tweak, tweak! I've found that I prefer the Lores on the floor, no spikes on a piece of carpet. The furniture in my room is killing me but I have no way around it right now.I also prefer Triode over UL. I too bought the Lores for their abundant efficiency. I am looking at different SET 300B integrates/power amps. Eventually that is how I will go.I did not buy the OPPO 203. My OPPO 95 is probably good enough for now.
Agreed. I'm looking around at amps. I have noticed with the Lores that they seem to enjoy more horse power of UL than Triode although I prefer what I hear with the Triode setting. My fear is buying a so-called "flea amp" and not being able to drive them.