Mapleshade Golden Helix Vs Double Helix


I have and enjoy a pair of Golden Helix speaker cables. I love these cables for many reasons, but I'm looking for more fullness to voices without loosing the quickness and sparkle in the process.
Does anyone have experience with Mapleshade's more expensive cable?

Thanks
ssglx

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SunnyJim,

As a lapse Catholic, I'd better re-up for the benefits!
And I hope Audio Valhalla has a good beer hall.

All the best,
Nonoise
SunnyJim,

I'll start with the last question first and make my way back. My speakers are Tonian Labs TL-D1s and the amp is a Burson PI-160 integrated. The Tonians are 95db efficient and the Burson is a sleeper, IMO, which digs pretty deep into the music in a convincing way.

What I found better in the Double Helix over the standard Helix is a more immediate, relaxed, yet bolder presentation. They haven't even got 4 hours on them and the improvement was apparent from the start. I find tighter bass to be better defined bass. Bass with more nuance, pitch, definition and thud (for lack of a better word-impact maybe).

Greater transparency is another aspect of the Double Helix cables. There's simply more info coming back at me, making it seem more realistic. I can't explain it any better than that without resorting to examples, so here goes:
piano registers are very realistic. Hammer strikes, wires resonating and sound board sympathies all share the same note. Nothing jumps out at you but it's all there to hear. It may not have the full weight of a real piano but it's the most convincing way I've heard it out of my speakers.

Horns have a nice, brassy and slightly rough bite like they do in a small venue. Bass slaps and pulls show more finesse and subtle interplay. Drums sound just as they should whether played with sticks or with hands, which I've found to be slightly lacking until the Double Heilx arrived. Lightly rapped drums now have presence even though back in the mix.

Vocals now come to the front more convincingly as well. You can almost sense the preparation before the execution, with all the subtle clues leading credence to the act. It's almost like they're in the room, not three dimensionally but just on the basis of the info. I guess that's the best way of conveying it: the Double Helix simply allow more info than the standard Helix.
Less grunge as alluded to earlier by others.

One more thing about the bass. It's a more complete presentation but my Tonians are more of a tune and tone champ than any kind of bass champ. They do it convincingly well but they don't thump you in the chest (they do, however, tap very, very well). I had an old pair of Legacy Classics that used the standard Heilx cables and they had no problem making my room, pictures and window shake so I can imagine an improvement in the accuracy department.

As for the Clear Day single shotgun cables, I preferred the standard run myself. I found the shotgun runs to flesh out the bass and mids at the expense of some detail and nuance, but that was with my older system and my ears so YMMV. I also prefer, so far, the tighter and more tuneful bass I'm getting with just the Double Helix compared to the standard Heilx bi-wired with the single run of Clear Day cables but it's too early to be certain. It seems more balanced going solo with the Double Helix, for now.

And as for the plus version, I'm trying my best to not send these DHs back for them because the level of improvement I was told was so great that at first, I thought it was just hype, but boy, was I wrong. I'm hoping that I'm not wrong again because even though it adds more than a hundred bucks to the equation, it would be worth it if the increase of enjoyment is the same.

I hope this gives you some perspective, but I know it just makes it more difficult. There is a 30 day return policy as long as they look like new so....

All the best,
Nonoise
Ssglx,

I'm in the same boat as you. I went back to my Helix speaker cable and loved the openness and detail but the lower mids and bass lost some weight and impact. Until I get around to buying some double Helix cables, I bi-wired some Clear Day single strand silver speaker cables and was pleasantly shocked at how great it sounds.

Pierre has a 30 day return policy so you've got your options.

All the best,
Nonoise
I read somewhere about Pierre Sprey and that he learnt of this kind of wiring while in England. It sounded good and made sense. I don't know if it was gleaned from a DNM product or some other make.

All the best,
Nonoise
I've just got home and the Double Helix speaker cables were waiting for me. It took just 3 days to get them. Big improvement over the standard Helix cables without the waiting period for break in.

Everything you've heard about them from the above, and other posts, correctly detail the improvements. However, it's nothing like hearing them for yourself :-)

After a couple of weeks or so I'm going to bi-wire the standard Helix to see what they contribute to the fun fest. Right now they just sound so much more realistic, relaxed and yet bolder in presentation.

Thanks to all who responded as it got me off my lazy butt to try them.

All the best,
Nonoise
I couldn't wait. I wanted to. I couldn't leave well enough alone.

I bi-wired the standard Helix with the Double Helix and it got perceptibly better. A little more here and there. Like adding something to a good stock.

Not content with that, I went back and, again, wired in the Clear Day single run using the banana inputs and it was akin to almost going tubes. Real good tubes. With really good recordings there is not the slightest sense of anything digital in the presentation. Not that I noticed any digital artifacts before but now with this 3 wire set up, it's apparent that I was missing that something extra.

Understand that this is no knock on the Double Helix cables. Not in the slightest. This is only in the context of my system. My Tonians fulfill all the duties I need save for that bottom octave and a half. What the Clear Day cables add is a measure of gravitas to the mix without muddying up the waters.

As big a step up I have with the Double Helix over the standard Helix, I now have added harmonics of overtones with no bloat or smearing or attendant loss of detail or structure, but a large enhancement of said detail and structure. As I write this, I have the soundtrack to Game of Thrones playing and I have to leave this piece every minute or so to listen to what's playing as it's so engaging, so compelling. It's like I'm hearing it live, a few rows back from the stage.

In finishing, all I can say is try bi and or tri-wiring. This topic was explored recently on another thread and there are benefits to be achieved with little investment. Try older cables lying around. The sonic yield can be greater than the sum of it's parts.

All the best,
Nonoise
SunnyJIm,

I hear you. Elucidation, when offered, is a far cry from mutterings and mumblings.

As one who thinks he's reached his sonic goals, only to discover that he just went sideways, I can share in the frustration this wonderful hobby requires of us.

I sincerely hope the Double Helix allows you some respite, only to discover it's all you needed.

All the best,
Nonise
Forget what I said about bi and tri wiring with the Double Helix speaker cables.

Not 2 hours later they took a big turn for the better. I was listening to Melody Gardot and her voice took a turn downwards, tonally, about halfway to Lauren Bacall. Having heard her just the week before I was quite familiar with how she sounds so I took out the Clear Day single runs and the regular Helix cables.

That mid and bass improvement I had gotten with the multiple wire set up was starting to bloat and smear as the Double Heilx were breaking in. I should have not been so impatient and let well enough alone. I haven't experienced a cable do that in such short a time.

These Mapleshades are fast becoming quite wonderful sounding all on their own. Formidable in presentation. Beautifully balanced and full bodied, making me think twice about that comment I made earlier about missing that last octave and a half. What's down there is now very convincing.

The highs are a bit behind but coming along fine, eeking along and getting airier and more extended.

Lest anyone think I'm a bit impulsive about these cables, let me (re)assure you I am. SunnyJim, I hope you're enjoying these as much as I am.

All the best,
Nonoise