Magnepan Service HORRIBLE???


I am now into my 5th week waiting for Magnepan to evaluate shipping damage to a pair of MG 3.7's. My wife and I paid Craters and Freighters to build a custom wood crate for them so they would not be damaged further by the trip from Richmond to Minnesota.

I know everyone will say they are a small company and I need to be patient but this is ridiculous to my mind. I have called 5-6 times and the seller has also called. The last time I called Shelia acted like she had never spoken to me before despite the previous phone conversations.

I know the MG 3.7's are supposed to be sensational speakers and I bought my first pair of Magnepans in 1975 but I am seriously considering flipping these if Magnepan ever inspects and repairs them. The aggravation simply is not worth it to me.

A month and I can not even get anyone at Magnepan to open the crate, inspect them, and give me a damage estimate to provide to FedEx who is ready to pay the claim. Unfortunately, they can't pay until Magnepan provides an estimate of the damage and then I have to wait for the actual repair.

I never thought I would feel this way about Magnepan but this current situation has changed my mind to a huge extent. This is just ridiculous the way I see it and I can see no good excuse for it.
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I spent some time at the repair department when I visited the Magnepan factory a few months back. Just to answer a few questions, it's a separate department, not part of the regular production line although it's on the factory floor and interfaces with it. It's a very specialized, customized operation that lavishes a great amount of loving care on even their older speakers. They'll actually build obsolete drivers from scratch if necessary, as I learned when I mentioned the damage to my Tympani.

The downside of this is that the repair department is highly dependent on the skilled person who runs it. When I was there, they had a backlog because she had been out for five weeks with a broken leg. The other guys at the factory tried to keep up but things slowed down to a crawl. She had just gotten back and she was working on crutches! They'd brought back a former repair department employee to serve temporarily as her hands in an attempt to clean up the backlog.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the current problem, but I thought I'd pass it on because it indicates both their dedication to customer service, and some of the problems that can occur in a small company like this (though large by high end standards) -- if one highly skilled person is out, there may be no one with the knowledge needed to replace them.

To address a point someone else made, it may also be impractical to rapidly accommodate increased demand. The entire factory operation involves a surprising amount of skilled labor. If there's a surge in demand it can take a while to train new people up, not to mention that you can't just hire people if the surge is going to be temporary, e.g., there's been a new product introduction. Some audio companies have gone bankrupt when they expanded rapidly to accommodate a surge in demand, from a good review, say, only to have demand fall off. I don't know what the case is at Magnepan, but I do know that the .7's have been selling like hotcakes. It's a welcome success for the company, but I can see that the sudden increase in demand would strain their production capacity.

Also, I'd say that the company does care very much about their customers and reputation, success notwithstanding. Cost control is a strong priority, which is why Maggies are so blessedly inexpensive, but also why they don't have things like 3-way binding posts and wooden crates. Sadly, you can't have it both ways (I've been griping about those binding posts for years). Also, that the people I met at the factory and to whom I've spoken on the phone couldn't have been nicer. It's been years since I was at a trade show, so I don't know what the story is there, but the people I've dealt with over the years have always been great.
When Fedex mangled one of my Tympanis (forklift through the box), they paid not only for the repair but for the cost of shipping. I don't know if that would include a new shipping crate, but it can't hurt to ask.

Not the first time I've had trouble with speaker shipments, years ago UPS trashed an AR-11 I sold to someone.
Emrritt,

As it turns out, Magnepan does have a system of crating -- but they've found that customers won't pay even a little bit more for it. It seems that they know that Magnepan and the freight company will deal with a problem if it occurs, so they have no incentive to pay more. Whereas we both bought our speakers used and so had to deal with the original seller and freight company.

Wendell Diller points out that they do in fact warn of just that on their web site:

"However, we have a word of caution. Magneplanars are very sturdy, but, they sometimes lose in a 'conflict' with a forklift driver or careless freight handler. If this happens with a new pair of speakers, Magnepan and your dealer will handle the hassle with the freight company. If the freight company wants to fight the claim, it isn't your problem.

"The safest way to buy a used Maggie is with a warranty from your nearest Magneplanar dealer. The next best option is to personally check out the speakers before buying. The worst option is a 'great deal' on the Internet. To our thinking, if it is such a great deal, why wouldn't someone locally snap it up?"

One other word about how they interact with customers. While I was visiting, they got a call from a guy in India. His distributor had given him foot screws of different lengths, and he couldn't figure out which to put where. In short order, engineering and the factory became involved, and the decision made to send him a new set of screws of the right length. Later, as I understand it, he spoke to Wendell. The amount of attention, both direct and behind the scenes, was extraordinary, and hardly cheap, given the cost of labor.

I don't know what happened in your case, and I don't know why they don't put their email addresses on the web, but I've spent enough time making futile attempts to contact various "customer be damned" companies and talking to people with impenetrable foreign accents after an hour on hold to appreciate this old-fashioned aspect of the way they do business, and the fact that they're so accessible -- or at least have been when I called them.

Mrschret, I'm not sure what the situation was, or why communication wasn't better. From what I've seen, when people have called and asked about time frames, they've been happy to oblige.

Based on my own experience as a customer over the years, good communication is vitally important -- it may be disappointing to learn that your repair will take two months, but I think most people will accept that. It's not hearing anything or being able to get through that drives you to distraction.

When I mentioned my broken Tympani to the beleaguered head of the repair department, she said, "Good God, don't send them now." :-)
Emrritt,

As it turns out, Magnepan does have a system of crating -- but they've found that customers won't pay even a little bit more for it. It seems that they know that Magnepan and the freight company will deal with a problem if it occurs, so they have no incentive to pay more. Whereas we both bought our speakers used and so had to deal with the original seller and freight company.

Wendell Diller points out that they do in fact warn of just that on their web site:

"However, we have a word of caution. Magneplanars are very sturdy, but, they sometimes lose in a 'conflict' with a forklift driver or careless freight handler. If this happens with a new pair of speakers, Magnepan and your dealer will handle the hassle with the freight company. If the freight company wants to fight the claim, it isn't your problem.

"The safest way to buy a used Maggie is with a warranty from your nearest Magneplanar dealer. The next best option is to personally check out the speakers before buying. The worst option is a 'great deal' on the Internet. To our thinking, if it is such a great deal, why wouldn't someone locally snap it up?"

One other word about how they interact with customers. While I was visiting, they got a call from a guy in India. His distributor had given him foot screws of different lengths, and he couldn't figure out which to put where. In short order, engineering and the factory became involved, and the decision made to send him a new set of screws of the right length. Later, as I understand it, he spoke to Wendell. The amount of attention, both direct and behind the scenes, was extraordinary, and hardly cheap, given the cost of labor.

I don't know what happened in your case, and I don't know why they don't put their email addresses on the web, but I've spent enough time making futile attempts to contact various "customer be damned" companies and talking to people with impenetrable foreign accents after an hour on hold to appreciate this old-fashioned aspect of the way they do business, and the fact that they're so accessible -- or at least have been when I called them.

Mrschret, I'm not sure what the situation was, or why communication wasn't better. From what I've seen, when people have called and asked about time frames, they've been happy to oblige.

Based on my own experience as a customer over the years, good communication is vitally important -- it may be disappointing to learn that your repair will take two months, but I think most people will accept that. It's not hearing anything or being able to get through that drives you to distraction.

When I mentioned my broken Tympani to the beleaguered head of the repair department, she said, "Good God, don't send them now." :-)
Hi Whart,

No, not my 1-D's, which sold earlier. Strange story, which I won't go into here since I don't want to hijack the thread.

I've been having an interesting conversation with the owner of the 1-D's that are up now. Well, interesting if you're a Tympani owner, anyway. :-)