Thank you for the link, Kiwi. I read the review completely different then you. Especially the part that says: "In-room bass goes down to 30Hz... which is impressive for a speaker of this size". Overall a great review of the Q1. The C1/D1 are great products, no need to make them what they are not. Their bass extension is around the 50Hz, not nearly as deep as the Q1, that is why they are more efficient. Read MC review again, he explains the relationship |
>>Suggest you dig that out
Could not find the review anywhere. The C-1 always sounded pretty lean at shows (and the D-1 at the last CES). It is hardly a 5Â in a pretty small box, and if it is indeed an 88db efficient, it will not go very low. It is physics after all. |
Other than the -6db at 39Hz bass extention figure, the other things that stick out in MC's Q1 review are the low frequency distortion measurements and max loudness.
If you read the review of his WA S3 speakers, you'll see that in his room
the bass extention is -6db at 26Hz and max loudness is 6dbs higher. |
Colloms wrote a review on the Raidho C-1.0 sometime back. In that review he also discussed efficiency, noise and frequency response. Suggest you dig that out. |
>> IF true this would mean other products notably the Raidho C-1.1 / D-1 would better the Q1 for both efficiency and bass extension.
How do you know that? Have they ever been, subjectively, measured? I am trying to find some "real" data on these, so far not much success. Please point us in the right direction, Thanks. |
Colloms Review of the Q1 certainly makes for interesting reading. There seems to be little evidence of acoustic controls (bass traps / absorption / diffusion etc) in Colloms listening room and I can't help but feel this would influence the observations made. Colloms subjective view of 84dB sensitivity (very low) and bass extension of 46Hz (-3dB) would be very disappointing for some readers. IF true this would mean other products notably the Raidho C-1.1 / D-1 would better the Q1 for both efficiency and bass extension. I don't think Magico would be happy with the review. Clearly the product is not right for Colloms open plan and highly reflective room and I dare say this has led to the somewhat negative conclusion. |
just to clarify, i was refering to reviewers in magazine - i read a few which says that the speaker produces the best bass among speakers of similar sizes... |
The dealer in my country would not permit in-house demo...
People who write reviews tend to say along the lines that "given the physical size" the bass is tremendous... I am sure that's the case but it is such a big caveat. I listen to classical 99% of the time - mainly piano and orchestral. I dont need strong and powerful bass but it's important to portray that "weight" in orchestral music - i didnt get that via the duette...
I am using Jeff Rowland 625 - it's working well with the V2. |
Very interesting review Kana. Thanks for posting it. I wish more reviews had
such extensive measurement data. The room in which the review took place
seems very reflective and underdamped. I also wonder if those Transparent
cables were reconfigured for the new speakers or if they still matched the
Wilsons. Apparently, that is critical to getting the most out of the system.
This review is not posted on Magico's website. |
There's a review of the Q1 here:
http://www.absolutesounds.com/pdf/main/press/HIFiCriticJul-SepQ1forweb.pdf
Does your dealer have the new S1s? |
My room is 15' X 16' (240 sq feet) and the bass I get from the Mini 2 is tremendous. I use Pass XA160.5 because the Mini is a tough load and I listen pretty loudly when the music calls for it. The Q1 is supposed to extend even further in the bass. I think the Wilson Duette is ported while the Magico speakers are not. So the bass will have a very different character.
When I play the Sheffield Drum Track LP, the bass impact, extension and clarity is about all I could hope for in my small room. It shatters my ears when I turn it up. My buddy with Sashas doesn't get the bass I have from these two-way speakers.
Ask the dealer if you can demo the Q1 in your system. It's the only way to know for sure. What amps do you have? Magico needs lots of good, clean power. |
Thanks. I actually listened in the dealer's room. Mids and highs are a huge improvement, but the room was 600+ sq feet and hence it's difficult to judge the bass.
I had Wilson Duette before and didnt hv enough bass in my room (170 sq feet), hence a bit concerned about Q1 regarding the bass... |
I've asked myself a similar question regarding my Mini 2. So far I've resisted because of the price difference between a used Mini 2 and a new Q1. I also greatly prefer the aesthetics of the Mini. The V2 is a great speaker, IMO, though I slightly prefer the Mini 2 which are more expensive. There may be enough of an improvement over the V2 to pay for the upgrade.
I think the only way to answer this question for yourself is to try to hear the Q1 in your system. If you can't find a dealer willing to let you try them, at least hear the Q1 at a dealer demo with similar electronics and source to what you own. Only you can answer the question about whether or not it is worth the price difference to change. There may be some other area in your system which would benefit more for the same amount of money. |
