Wow! what a statement, MBL's are "A fun system indeed but not for any serious listening" Making such only demonstrates you obviously don't like MBL's which is okay but doing so is an insult to any MBL owners such as myself and clearly demonstrates your lack of credibility. There is no best out there, all speakers have their strengths and weakness as do your M3's. M3's aren't all that and I personally have no desire to own a pair. |
I hope all our comments are taken as just hobbyspeak,and remember we(I especially) am expressing only opinion.This based on musical taste,and the various set-ups I've heard,over many years.It's how the particular speaker(we are talking about the transducer here,so my "opinion" is expressed)comes across in a given system....
Firstly,I know EBM quite well.In all honesty he's had quite a few systems over the years....
Speakers from big Maggies to pretty big Kharmas.He is addicted to "music",has the monetary resources to support his passion,and is willing to take criticism(actually asks for it,as a learning exercise) in order to get to his goal,so his expressions come from real experience....
Yet....I've truly never been overwhelmed with the sound he's been able to get(in the past)....mainly due to room restrictions....which is understandable,since he lives with a "damn understanding wife"!The room just happens to support "real-world living quarters",which is EXACTLY where the Magico Mini RULES!!!
IT FITS IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF MODERN LIVING SITUATIONS!!!
Anyone in an urban environment,and without the vast spaces of the great outdoors will love the Minis....PERIOD!!!....I'm being totally honest...they are really that good,unless you simply have to play Pink Floyd's DARK SIDE OF THE MOON at concert levels....Then I understand some other design.
There are other superb speakers(obviously)and I totally agree with Roypan about the MBL's!I've never understood how anyone could believe they do "music as opposed to good sound"!
To me,there is a big difference.The Magico's do music(to my taste),and the MBL's remind me of two weeks ago,when I was at a gorgeous wedding,but sitting way too close to the band.
I had a great time,but came home with a slight headache.
Best. |
Ebm,
what do you use to drive the magico minis?
I have room that is 20x25x12ft you think this is too big? |
When I read comments such as "MBL's remind me of two weeks ago,when I was at a gorgeous wedding,but sitting way too close to the band." and "Anyone in an urban environment,and without the vast spaces of the great outdoors will love the Minis....PERIOD!!!....I'm being totally honest...they are really that good,unless you simply have to play Pink Floyd's DARK SIDE OF THE MOON at concert levels....Then I understand some other design." and "I had a great time,but came home with a slight headache."
You obviously have never heard a pair of MBL's in a real world situation which is in someones home set-up properly, your comments are laughable. When I read such it only demonstrates to me credibility issues and then voicing your listening experiences from shows or possibly showroom set-ups and not at any ones home or a personal evaluation come on. We went over this previously and it's okay not to like the MBL's but when you suggest you have to listen to them at concert levels please.
I mentioned before I bought a pair of Magico's and was very disappointed in all the hype scattered here and the price outrages. Magico Mini's are way over priced for a two way and the M3's is nothing to get excited about either, that's my opinion and I actually owned a pair. I went over to the person's home who bought them from me wanting to have another listen as they were being set-up in a much smaller environment. I actually went over with three other individuals who own different speakers than the Magico's and MBL's, they all have really nice set-ups and have heard my set-up many times also. The Mini's sounded okay but still left me scratching my head wondering what all the hype is about. I admit they did sound better than at my place but no way do they come close to the experience of a pair of well set-up MBL 101E's period, the three individuals also agreed along with the actual owner no comparison.
Lastly this is a hobby and these forums are to assist but when personally attacking what someone owns is wrong.
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Hey Dev,have a glass of wine,and relax.Then re-read my first paragraph...Carefully!!There was suposed to be a good dose of humor in my remarks!!
Nobody's "attacking" anyone,and virtually ALL comments made here are someone's opinion....Including "yours"!!
Sorry if you got mad,but there might be some folks who view your statement about the V-3's not being so hot,as just as intimidating,as how you perceived my MBL "opinion".
Yes,you are correct!I've only heard the MBL's at Trade shows.....MANY TIMES,and maybe somebody has to tell MBL to lower the volume and work on that ported bass annoyance,because on virtually every occassion,the suspension of disbelief was not there.I've not once heard articulate bass from them.If I am wrong you "gladly" have my apology!!
Btw,EBM now has as valid a system as any I've heard.With the addition of his new Minis,he can feel worry free,and secure enough to not get peeved every time some hobbyist makes an off base comment.
Best |
HI I use ROWLAND 8T over 250 Watts 8ohms 400 Watts CH 4 ohms!!ARC SP15 Great Nothern Sound MODS!!This is a real AMP over 128 lbs With Many full size Transistors per Side.My room is 12WX20L over 8Ft ceiling.Read about MAGICO MINI 2 and V3 NOT M3 in New Absolute Sound Editors choice AWARDS!! |
Dev,
I did not claim that MY speakers are BIGGER them yours. Quite the contrary. Also, I would not bring credibility to the table here. Perhaps you forget that after reading your comments on the Mini, I had offered to purchase your Minis from you (I have been looking for a used pair for almost a year now). Did not seems like you were too eager to sale them. From your response I got the feeling that you are more than just a bystander and, most likely does not even have a Mini on hand. Perhaps a dealer of some sort. I do see that you have a brand new pair of MBL for sale. So what is your agenda? |
I must say : We all hear differently!!
That said, I still think mbl is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else to my ears and my aural memory!
But why??????? Why are there so many speakers and their die-hard fans?
I must admit that I need to revisit the mbl setup. Since hearing them the last time when I was blown away I have done alot of listening and my ability to listen has improved. So now with more experience under my belt I would like to hear them again.
I think the best way to nail this is by doing a direct comparison, live music and then the speaker systems.
I would love to see this done, I would pay to participate.
Now that would be a killer stereo expo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
No problem Sirspeedy, yes MBL needs to lower the volume at shows so people truly can experience what the speakers can do but there still would be an issue and that being MBL gear driving them, not a fan of MBL amps.
Roypan I'm a personal user in the hobby and have no hidden agenda only say it the way it is, I never put the Magico's up for sale on Audiogon and you just contacted me out of the blue. You have no feedback and your reply seemed like you were a dealer or had another agenda, didn't really matter to me anyways I already had a buyer if I wanted to sell them within my district. Regarding my MBL's for sale you should read threads prior to this one of mine and it is clearly stated why but then again I was polite enough to have already answered your personal email to me regarding this.
Regarding reviews, shows, and showrooms I do not know which one is worse and if this is how you compare wow!
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Pedrillo,based upon your comments,boy would you have loved the LeGall deal/sound!!!...Big time!!
Best |
Mark,
I never stopped thinking about that LeGall set, and when I get the room I think I will go in that direction.
If it has some of the things I seem to be drawn to then it's a steal compared to mbl's.
Peter |
I'm curious where Verity - say the Sarastro - fit in this pantheon of transducers.
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Dev, I see that you are selling your MBL 101E's. What are you replacing them with. Husk |
Husk01, to date the MBL 101E's are my favourite speakers and if I was not down sizing this set-up I would not be selling them so I just don't know?
I bought a pair of Magico Mini's on a recommendation that they would work well in my room but unfortunately that just did not happen. |
I think I'll throw my two cents in. Until a few months ago I was a perfectly happy Kharma 3.2 Fe owner. All the hype was justified in my mind. Where else can you find a truly full range speaker that is so small and easy to drive? One that has world class imaging and transparency dynamic contrast etc. The only thing missing is ultimate loudness. A two way can only play SO loud after all. But they actually play loud enough to make my ears hurt so, as I said, I was perfectly happy. Sure I've heard the Magico mini and respected them a lot but they are just different. Maybe better, maybe not, mostly just different.
Then I stumbled on a set of articles regarding how we hear music. This led me around the net to read about a professional set up in a European theater where side firing speakers of lower sensitivity ( -6 db)are used to augment the main speakers. I just happened to own a pair of Spendor S3/5s ( 5 db less sensitive than the Kharma)so I gave it a try. I hooked them up to the rear of the mains firing out to the sides, exactly like the QUAD 63 setup at the SME lab. Now I realize I'm adding distortion, but low and behold the rig sounded better, a lot better. Orchestra for sure, I expected that. But what surprised me was how much better solo guitar sounded, much more focused and present. Mind you, the Spendors were barely audible in comparison to the Kharmas, they only contributed to the ambience.
This experience led to a exhaustive search that landed a pair of MBL 101E's. I did as much shopping as I could and I must agree with Dev that a properly set up set of MBL 101s do things that NO box speaker in my experience can do. ( I've heard almost everything in some shape or fashion) Like it or not every speaker lights up the entire room with sound and that sound is reflected back to the listener. All normal box speakers should sound and measure, for example, flat in front but as you walk around them the frequency response changes dramatically and flat becomes ' not-so-flat'. The not-so-flat gets mixed in with the flat and the result is the typical "box speaker" sound. Before I get flamed, I understand that all music is a mix of reflections with various phase shifts. But.... MBL speakers light up the room evenly and I think that makes them special.
People who don't own MBLs like to criticize them for boomy bass. Well that's true but they have internal adjustments, and for the record MBLs actually HAVE bass unlike virtually all the competition ( that's not fair.. change to "most of the competition") so they need to be placed carefully. As a tweak I have mine sitting on about $1000 of Black Diamond products, well into the room. You would swear that mine are light in the bass until you put on something like track 6 from " The Thin Red Line" and you feel like you chair legs are going to break from all the bass energy. Once the bass is delt with The MBLs exibit a transparancy that is on par with my other speakers (Quad 57's)
Unfortunately MBLs are expensive and hard to drive but if price were not a consideration I have yet to hear their overall equal. |
I've only heard the Magicos and liked them a lot but they cost too much for something not full range.
MBL and Kharma might have a chance but I have never heard either. |
Lhobby, Which Black Diamond racing products are you using with your 101E's? |
Husk01, I'm using the original threaded pit with cones screwed in. This assembly sits on top of a mini jumbo puck. I have 3 sets per speaker.
The difference is night and day. |
Not as full range as 101 but much more musical better midrange airer highs!! The best mini monitor in the world as of now people love to knock #1 |
