LSA Voyager GAN Amplifier

I am sure most people can make up their own mind about the value of tweaks and modifications. They can also decipher for themselves the value of posts here.  No more needs to be said.

Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu.

Talking about ignorance!!!!!.......this is the "other" tweaky Rick Schultz

I am Ric Schultz

He is even more tweaky than me in some ways......must be the name.

Peace, I offer you.  

Love is not just in a corner but everywhere present......right this moment. It is in you, Woodstock. Me, I am sunshine. Actually, people used to call me that years ago......I really am Sunshine.....a beam of light......a Light Being.....and so are you.....so is everyone.

Blah, Blah Blah went the person who did not hear the difference between bad sounding 38K resistors and great sounding 148K resistors (the brand of resistor and the impedance both give a sonic improvement....my source was 50 ohms high current capability....class A output discrete stage). But of course, you had to be there and listen to know anything. Only listening to something gives real knowledge.....your opinion.....is based on nothing real....no listening tests.

Products developed:

Ultimate Attenuators......I invented the shunt attenuator in 1989......Ultimate Attenuators were class A rated in Stereophile for 7 years. Reviewed by Robert Harley in July 1990.

Hand Made DAC......this DAC using the UltraAnalog DAC chips and input receiver as well as the HDCD digital filter was one of the best DACs in the world in the late 90s.......only 15 of these incredible hand made things exist.

Millennium DAC.....these lower cost DACs are still prized by many.....see reviews at Audio Review......about 100 of these made......last version had fully custom discrete fet output stage that was my own design.

Lots of mods to SACD/DVD and Blue Ray players...many using a discrete fet stage of my own design......check out my website for pics of the latest hand made tweaky deaky thing.

Modified Nuforce class D amps.....made and sold amps using modified UCD modules and modified IcePower modules.

My list of accomplishments could go on forever.....but it will never convince someone who is set in his ways....that anything I do or say has any value.  My results speak for themselves and my customers.....speak for me.  I have a great reputation.  That says it all.  People are happy with the results of my products and mods......of course, not everyone......but rarely does anyone have anything negative to say about the sound of what i do.

No patents here.....but that does not mean I don’t have a ton of knowledge as to what makes good sound. You listen, you learn. You don’t listen....you don’t learn. What have you listened to and what did you learn? I am continuously learning.....I just learned that my binding post bypass system that I have been using is actually no better than a great binding post.......because......if you use a metal binding post as the clamp it sounds as bad as running the signal through it. You want to use Nylon, Teflon or wood as your clamp......nothing conductive. The mass of the metal conductor acts as a bad electron storage device. You really want to remove any connectors on your speaker wires.....it will BLOW your mind.....no spades, no bananas, no five way binding posts......you either solder or clamp using no metal.....for best sound. Just discovered this, this last week......there is always more.....and more.....into the infinity of love and joy......Blessings.

You are both wrong.....he he....resistor types/brands can make as much difference as anything.....We found that out years ago with different brands of resistors loading our moving coil cartridge.....huge differences.

Same with impedance.  $150K sounded much better than 49K......both had the same brand and type of resistor.  The "better" brand of resistor was already superior to the stock resistor.  This is on the input of the amp (not a cartridge load.....we also liked 100 ohms for our Supex cartridges).

Here is an interesting story for all you measurement types.  Back in the 70s it was all a big club....everyone knew everyone.  High end was super small and few companies.  We knew David Fletcher who owned Sumiko (importer of Supex and Fidelity Research Cartridges)....in fact, we were in the same City (Berkeley, CA).  So, we borrowed 10 brand new Supex cartridges form Dave and mounted them on universal headshells and gave each one a number on a piece of small masking tape on the side of the cartridge.  Three of us listened all day on my system......All the cartridges came with frequency sweep graphs that told you nothing as they were so similar.  There were three categories of cartridges.....the meh ones....the OK ones and the great ones (three of them).....and one was clearly the winner..  This is how you learn to trust your hearing.  All three of us agreed with every ranking.....it was easy to hear.  I wonder if cartridges are as variable today as they were back in the 70s.   By the way, we did the same test with 5 Fidelity Research cartridges....maybe a year later.....mostly we preferred those to the Supex.

Of course, that is exactly where we heard the difference.......as a cartridge load to ground.   We all heard the difference in ALL brands and types of resistors.....still can, wherever they are used in a circuit. Tons of audio companies pick resistors for "sound".  It is true that most "metal film" resistors of the same type and wattage will sound similar.....but try a Caddock or Nude Vishay or various good sounding surface mount resistors.....and a way different sound emerges. 

You are beautiful, I love you and thank you for sharing your light with me and everyone.....it is a blessing that you are in the world

You mostly don’t test stuff or rarely change your equipment, you make comments on what others say. You are like Howard Cosell.....calling a fight.....you summarize and make pointed comments. Are you being of service? What did we just learn? Service is love with doing. What is the actual purpose of your last post? Did the post come from your heart?.....or from some need for recognition?....or ? Only you know. Real knowledge is power. The power to make a real difference.

We all eventually will do this....for....a life unexamined....is a life asleep.  I try and make every word and post a blessing to all.....sometimes my ego gets in the way.....we are all bozos on the bus.  Our reality will catch up with our deepest intentions.  My deepest intention is that everyone.....I mean everyone....is happy.

The purpose of life is to awaken the possibilities of life....loving, living, feeling, enjoying, connecting, knowing, laughing, dancing, singing. playing......being happy.....no matter what the circumstance because we learn we are infinite and eternal.

We awaken to our soul......we awaken to love.....to service.....to connection. Blessings.

The ego defines and defends...attacks and brings down......Love appreciates, enjoys and is uplifting.  You pick.  There is nothing but the test of LOVE.  All the rest is just playthings.  How much love do you feel for me?  That is your test.  How much love do you feel for everyone?  That is your test.  It will always be the same.  You pass, you fail......it is up to you.  We all get there.....but we are all take our OWN time.  You have forever.....there is no judgement of how long it should take.  Enjoy the ride.  Judging and condemning will not get a "Pass"  Please try again.  You are the one who judges you.  This is what is so funny about all this.  We are projecting our own self "unlove".....or projecting our real self love.....or something in between......every second.  Since we create our reality out of the quality of our thoughts, words, feelings and actions.....then the more time you spend on positivity....then that reflects back on you.  The more time you spend judging and bringing down.....then that reflects back on you.  If you want to be happy.....then wish everyone happiness.  Let them have the expensive toys and worldly glory.....be happy for them......Celebrate everything and everyone.  It really works.....it really does.  You want happiness?  Then pass it on.

Who really cares about my or your opinions?  You know what Clint said about opinions......just more grist for the mill.  Do not take yourself so seriously.....there is really nothing here but us chickens.....cluck, cluck cluck.  Actually, I prefer ducks.....quack, quack, quack.

Smoke and mirrors is believing that you are smarter and better than someone else.  It is trying to make yourself big.....because inside....you feel worthless.  When you have real self esteem....when you have real self worth.....then you love everyone....because you know that they are just as beautiful as you and deserve to be happy.....Its called a Win/Win

It is what the essence of your parents wanted for you.  The trouble is, they were programmed to feel worthless by their parents.....so they did not really know how to fully love you.  This is on purpose.  If it were easy....then it would be no fun.  Coming out of the dark cave into the light can seem scary......but true lovers are fearless.....they keep walking into the light until they are bathed and immersed in it.  Be brave....walk to the Love....walk to the light.....you can do it.  You deserve it.  It is your destiny. 

My sweet ones....sending you all kisses and hugs.

You are amazing. You are loved and deserving

Is what you seek Jibber Jabber or something real?  

Do you have something uplifting to say?  Be of real service.  Turn us on!  How do you get better sound that gives you goosebumps?....that makes you cry.....that makes you want to love everyone.....that brings you deep peace......that fills you with joy?  Comments from afar are just your mind observing and needing attention (we are not our mind....the mind is a make wrong machine).  True immersion and connection to our soul comes from direct experience.  Share your experiences.....share your soul.  This is the truth we all seek.

Of course, some will say everything I write is jibber jabber.  We see (only) our own desires.......more and more I see only love and joy.

George's first rule of behavior......must attack them and belittle them....then I will feel better about myself.  Trouble is, it does not work.  It just comes back to you......whatever you put out.  You put out negativity.....that is what you get.....you put out love......and that is what you get.  Pretty simple.

I love you, I love you, I love you.....guess what I get back?  Maybe not from you at this point in time.....but your soul loves the fact that I love and adore you.....it does. You're my baby......kisses and hugs.

HIgher impedance sounded better using a 50 ohm source with 10 ma of class A bias and two feet of hardwired at one end low capacitance cable.  Just more jibber jabber......the only thing that matters is that the final product sound good.  This is what people want to know.  These tiny details are held as super important..... usually by those invested in being experts.  There are so many factors that make an amp sound the way it does.  It is infinite....just like us.  

@georgehifi  -3  Now we are back to zero.....he he.  A circle is a symbol of spirit......maybe your heart be filled with zero negativity.

No, you should not connect both inputs at the same time.  The switch is not directly in the signal path.  It just shorts the negative input on the balanced connector to ground....so you can use a single ended input.  If you hooked up two cables at the same time then the one source would also be driving the source of the other source.....he he....sorcery....not good.  You need to unplug one and then plug the other in and set the switch to the one you want.....all with the unit unplugged or turned off.....of course.

Tweak1,
The above amazon link will show everyone who presses on it....their own history on amazon......not your history. Please show a link to the actual product you bought.

Here is a link to another version of what you have:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093F3RZJ2/ref=sspa_dk_detail_6?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B093F3RZJ2&pd_rd_w=s...

Using less of the footers (like Tweak1 is doing...three of them) and using less springs in each one will lower the resonance and probably give the best sound (tunable to taste).

Tweak 1’s error has us all springing into action.....he he.

So, yes.....use better footers under the Voyager.....the stock footers are muddy sounding.....and these sprang thangs are cheap.  Other things might be better.......experiment.

Those $10 each op amps are still standard op amps.....he just choose some particular ones for low noise that are more expensive......they are still a bunch of transistors running really low bias and have protection diodes that screw up the sound, etc.  This is way different from using high bias discrete op amps or circuits........really great discrete op amps/circuits just plain sound mucho better than even the expensive chip op amps.  Some of the other things you describe are not stock....you are building a one off thing.  No one can buy what you are building.  Sonicaps are good but not great.  Way better caps out there.....including my modded Wima caps.  There is always more......much more.  We have only just begun.  

Even though the Voyager/Peachtree has $1 op amps in it....it has been tweaked by many people for great sound over a couple of years......this module is really good.  I am sure the StarKrimson modules are good too.  No doubt we will have a shoot out between a stock Orchard and a stock or modded LSA/Peachtree some day.   By the way, I can mod the Orchard amps, as well. 

Yes, just ignore....another measurements are everything guy.  The Peachtree is the exact same amp....just in a different chassis, different jacks and wire.  With my mods they would be even more the same.....and better.

Andypandy,

Look closely at the graph.......these divisions are one half db.  At 10K....where MAYBE you could hear a difference......at 8 ohms it is .2db high........at 4 ohms it is .3db down.  You can hear that?  Can anyone hear that?.....don't think so.  Usually it takes a half a db for someone to notice a gain change.  The Oppo volume control on the 205 player had one half db steps......and you could barely hear it.......and that was changineg the gain of all the music.....not just at 10K.

The particular amp that was reviewed was obviously not functioning properly.  All of us who have listened to this amp via balanced inputs would have noticed the difference in gain (10 db.....and the distortion difference).

So, you have a broken amp and a test that tells nothing about how the amp sounds. .....and of course, ASR does no listening tests.  If someone else sent him another Voyager amp it would not have that gain/distortion issue.  The Voyager amps I have had here work perfectly....same gain on both channels....measured and listening wise.  A seriously good sounding amplifier.

Sorry, you are acting as if they know anything about sound......they don't.  The small deviations due to filter implementation cannot be heard.  As to distortion.....the high distortion was noted on one channel because it was not properly working.  As far as the distortion figures in general.....they are not as low as some because they use less feedback.  THEY did this on purpose.  You must listen.....to know what sounds best.  This module was tweaked by a group of serious audiophiles........to sound great.....not to be the best measuring amp in the world (the only thing ASR wants).

Comments from people who have not listened to something are just that....comments.   They have no truth.  Truth in audio is what you hear.  Did you listen to the amp?  How does it sound?  That is what I want to know.....and I do know what is sounds like....because I heard it.

Quoting anything from ASR is like quoting someone about space travel when all they have done is drive the the store.  They no nothing about sound.  They only know how to use a measurement tool.....very sad.

The output filter and the feedback system around it form the ability to see the load.....its a system.....load dependancy is because of the filter and the feedback. Yes, it would be nice if it looked better.......but does it make the sound bad? No. And what do you mean "distortion"?.....What distortion are you hearing because of the minor frequency rise or fall?  And even what distortion do you measure because of the minor rise or fall?

The rising measured distortion is due to the feedback used (very low feedback)......and has very little to do with the frequency response variations with load at 20K. The bottom line is you need to listen to something to know how REALLY low distortion it is........a single part (that is not measureable) can make more audible distortion than any single measurement. Everything makes a difference. Listen first.....then you will actually know something.

Well, you are right.....everything can be heard (to some degree).....however, Andypandy acts if if the measurements make it a no no amp....without listening. If you were to change the value of the filter and add feedback so it looked better....it would certainly sound different.....and maybe not as good. This is the real point. Please listen first......then measure and see if what you measure has any correlation to the sound. ASR never seriously listens to anything.......and since it has never.... I mean never been proven that a better measuring amp or whatever sounds better.....than what is the point of their existence.....except to be right. Of course, the modules in the LSA/Peachtree were designed by very competent engineers using test equipment (which includes listening tests).....Our ears are the best test equipment known to man.

Actually, it is to inform.....to tell the truth of what I know....to help people get better sound.  What is your motivation for posting?

Here are three facts:

1. The only people who knows how something sounds are those that listen.

2. Most things that make a sonic difference CANNOT be measured.....therefore making a lot of measurements next to worthless.....I am not saying ALL measurements have little meaning......but a lot of them.

3. Yes, pure Love is beyond this dream world.....the world of illusions. This is who we are.....this is the most bestest fact of all. Blessings to all. May you find good sound but mostly may you feel the love and joy that you are and make a difference in this world....Be Happy. The right/wrong game is history......step into the world of now....the world of infinite possibilities where.....yes, ALL your dreams come true. Embrace yourself.....embrace each other......hug the universe......for that is who you are.

So, you look at the layout and you see sonic failings?  What, the AC cable is kinda close to one input cable?  How much sonic degradation will that do?  Can you quantify it?  Did you move the input cable an inch or so farther away and then heard nirvana?  This is all the ASR people have is measurements.....and cables that are theoretically not perfectly tied up.  No listening......just bad mouthing. 

The only thing that really matters is how something sounds.  What matters to many is being right........and making things wrong.  A much higher vibe is to make things right.....to praise....to uplift....to care.....to be truly helpful....to what people really want.  What do you want?  To be happy?  or be right? 

Sorry, you cannot know how something sounds by measuring it.  You have to listen......the ear knows what sounds good.........this is the best test.  Yes, you can get measurements out of a machine....and they have some use in audio.  But they do not tell you how it sounds.  Very different from drag racing......drag racing is power, weight, traction, gearing and drag.....you can measure all those things and make a car via these specs and it will make the quarter mile exactly as you calculate.  Audio is nothing like that......most things that change the sound....CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT be measured.  So, the only way to know which amp gets down the quarter mile the fastest is to listen in your own system versus another amp......that is the only way to test it.

I know in your heart of hearts you love me. I think you are necessary. You are loved....you are magnificent......speaking of rubber bands......remember this song lyric?

"Like a rubber ball, I keep bouncing back to you.....bouncy bouncy." I will always love you....always.

At some point I might experiment with adding large banks of low impedance capacitors to the power supply along with modified Wima bypass caps.  Trouble is, the brand of caps I want to try is backordered almost a year.  Adding a bank of low impedance caps can increase dynamics and slam.  You would need 4 sets of caps....since it is dual mono and plus and minus supply.....but there is plenty of room inside.  We shall see.  

The trouble with this kind of thinking is there is no reality to it. What you are saying is that if an amp measures great then it is neutral and if it does not measure great it is colored.....this is pure BS. The objective measurements just show numbers.....they have little to do with the sound of an amp. You can take a great measuring amplifier and put it on a rubbery feet and it sounds rubbery......and still measures the same. You can put a junk power cord on it and it sounds junky. You can change the output connector to some junk connector (or maybe it already has junk ones on there) and you get the junk sound of the connector. None or these things or a million other things inside the amp that make audible differences, including damping are measureable......this is the flaw in your thinking. Objectivists say things like what you did because they do not listen to components.....let alone to footers, cables, jacks, wires, solder, resistors, caps, damping, etc. into infinity. They just look at numbers on a machine and call it a day. It certainly simplifies buying equipment. But you will not get the best sound that way. You have to listen to things and compare. Once you realize that "everything makes a sonic difference" then that kind of black and white mentality is seen for what it is.......words meaning nothing. Most people in high end audio are subjectivists.....we listen and decide what flavors we want....but a small minority do the opposite....they do not listen and just buy stuff for specs......they worship specs.....sorry...specs are not sound. However, some of these objectivists go around to forums and threads and tell everyone their "truth".....and to not be fooled by all this "snake oil". They wave their engineering 101 bible in the air and claim to know something. The only thing in audio to know is how something sounds.....this is real knowledge. If you are not willing to listen and find out the SONIC TRUTH then you have your head in a hole in the sand. The real fun is discovering some little tweak that cost you nothing or practically nothing that improves your sound. This is the biggest rush of all. For instance...getting all your cables off the floor.....and you can use cardboard to do it.....way better imaging and purity.....and costs practically zero unless you buy expensive risers. Of course, there is no measured improvement with this tweak.

Happy listening, you holy beautiful beings. Heaven is now....Breath it in.

I certainly understand that some people are subjectivists but draw a line at trying certain things.....their brain just cannot get a handle on why a footer or whatever would make a difference.....but they do listen to components and compare the sound......so, it is not a black and white objectivists versus subjectivists game....there are infinite shades of it.......just like we all want to love and to be loved and be happy but we go about it in different ways. Follow YOUR highest excitement.....not someone elses.

Kuribo,

The world of one.....(he he...we are all one....spiritually).....is actually the game you play.  According to you.....all "audiophile" cables, footers, tweaks, fuses, cable lifters, ground enhancers, grounding systems, component stands, etc......are unnecssary and therefore all companies selling these things are snake oil salesman.  Same would apply to any company that claims they put in a "better sounding part" in their latest version of their amp or whatever......so this would mean almost all high end audio companies are also snake oil salesman.  And all the godzillion of people who use these components and accessories are all duped and fooled by this world wide conspiracy to take our money.  So, we are all just gullible fools and all those people selling us these things are just laughing on the way to the bank.  What a fantasy world you live in.....You certainly cannot talk to hardly any other audiophile without immediately getting an eye brow lift.

It does not matter that I make a few dollars or millions of dollars doing what I love.  What matters is the truth.  The truth, that is shown when one listens.   Ego oil is way more hazardous to our health and well being than any audio tweak.  Love oil is what we all need and want.  I love you.....you are beautiful.....just the way you are.

kisses and hugs. What is so nice about Audiogon is that we allow different opinions (Including yours...we would not kick you off even though 95% of people here do not believe as you). ASR is a "believe as we do or we kick you off " forum. Really loving and open, wouldn’t you say......he he. May all be blessed.

ASR is the last stand of the objectivists.....really funny actually.  I hope they keep that hill and don't lose it to the ever charging subjectivists throwing their hand grenades of non measuring tweaks at them.  What fun all of this is.  I hope none of you take any of this seriously.  What is said here does not (to much) affect the happiness of the world......however, every word you say......does send out a ripple in the ocean of consciousness.  So, choose your reality carefully.  For whatever you put out....comes back to you and goes out to the whole world.  Joy is always present.  Be a smile millionaire, its free.

Just your opinion.  What is your last and final word?  You certainly are not going to change your mind, nor I.   Has this not gone on long enough...or do you want to keep blasting?  My last word to you objectivists is this:

Love

 

 

 

While some measurements may bring some sonic bliss.....still most things you do to an amp (that cannot be measured) still change the sound.....in fact, an amp designed by anyone to have the distortion structure that Ralph says can sound blah, OK, good, very good or great depending on the implementation of a million different factors. Ralph thinks its mainly one factor.....to each his own. I play with the other million things and they all change/improve the sound. If you have ordinary binding posts on your amp....you have ordinary binding post sound.....no matter what the distortion reads. This is something I have spent over 40 years playing with. If you have a belief that these things that I say do not matter......then it does not matter how many years you have been making amps or whatever......you will still not have any real knowledge about the sound of parts and execution. Basic design is one thing.......how you implement it....is just as important. Designing and tweaking go hand in hand. One without the other is like being one handed. I have always been able to improve the sound of every component that I have ever had......not matter what the basic measurements.....and what I do.....does not make the measurments better. My customers for over 30 years agree. Most high end companies.....both measure and tweak after they measure......some do not. Believe what you want. I believe my ears.

Beauty if everywhere......joy is every breath. I hug you.....you are loved.

Here is an interesting story.  My friend wanted to have some 1uf polystyrene 100 V caps custom made.  He got the aluminum foil from Dave Fletcher at Sumiko.....and sent that to 4 different cap making companies along with Mogami wire for the leads, and his own solder for attachment.  Since most polystyrene comes from Germany from the same plant.....there was practically nothing different in each custom cap.  When we got back all the samples I was the one that tested them for sound.  They all sounded different.....yup....that's right.....they all sounded different.  Maybe different tension or whatever.....who knows.  The "everything makes a difference" game is very very subtle.

All brands of polyprop or whatever caps sound different from each other....even if they are the same length.  If you orient the cap with the outside foil to the output of lower potential it sounds best.  None of this can be measured.  Even within brands there are various versions that have different sound.  Check out all the versions of Mundorf caps, for instance.  Read the reviews of these caps.....they all sound different.  If you use silver wire instead of copper wire it sounds different......no difference in measurements.  This game is not simple....it is infinite....just like our soul is.  If all caps made from the same material sound different....then there are a lot of things coming into play here.  Check out VH Audio (V-caps) and their detailed description of how they designed their expensive caps.

Measurements can tell you some things......but most things need to be listened to to get to the truth of the purity of the sound.....to really KNOW something.

I have already stated several times that my mods to not change the measurements in any way. As I say.....over and over again.....most things that change and improve the sound CANNOT be measured. You ASR objectivists do not believe this and will take it to your grave......good worm hunitng....he he.

Beauty if what you experience when you are awake. You can awaken right now. Look in the mirror. You are the most beautiful person in the world. Love and kisses.

Most of the assembly and layout things that ASR type people go crazy about have little or nothing to do with the sound. They are making mountains out of molehills...because..........THEY DON’T LISTEN......therefore have NO REAL information about what makes things SOUND the way they do.

I want to add this.....what I just said applies to the mods I am currently doing to all class D amps. In the future, I might be changing the input stages to discrete circuits, etc.....and that may change the distortion characteristics......in fact, it is possible that it could even measure worse........but either way, it will sound better.

Some op amps have some much open loop gain that they have amazing distortion numbers even though they do not sound that great.  Some discrete op amps have less open loop gain (therefore less feedback is needed) and these would not have quite as low of measured distortion but could sound much better.  This is why you have companies like Dartzeel, Ayre, etc., etc. using zero feedback or low feedback circuits.....n fact, the LSA is a low feedback system and one reason it does not measure as well as the Purifi module that has a TON of feedback.   Lots of belief systems about this feedback thing and measurement thing....no right or wrong here....just stating what I know.

The biggest question is why you would ask this question? he he. Do jacks measure, do wires measure, does removing a power switch measure, does wire directionalty measure, does damping measure, does removing tons of parts that are not needed measure, do different brands of solder measure, does adding modified bypass caps measure, etc. into fininity measure? You answer.....since you are the one bragging about your test gear. I have no doubt you have measured ALL these things. How do they measure?

Can you measure LOVE, JOY, Happiness and Peace? You certainly can FEEL them and experience them. Some day we will figure out how to measure these qualities we all want and also measure what thoughts, feelings, words and actions make these qualities grow. Now, that is some cool measurements....Please make such a machine.  Please help all of us become better human beings....more tolerant, more compassionate, more joyful, more fulfilled, more loving......more fruitful.....in every way.  

Most all products have perfectly matched channels (maybe a few tubed based zero feedback circuits do not...because of differences in tubes)......at least to what we can hear....so who is going to buy my things because you say what you measure matters?  What universe do you live in?  Who do you think cares about what you say?  Who?  

I care about what you say.....because every thought you think, every word you speak, every feeling felt and every action taken.....not only creates your reality....but affects the greater consciousness.....all of us.   So, please choose your thoughts, words, feelings and actions wisely.  Would you rather be right or lovng?  Would you rather be miserable or happy.  You choose.  

Thank you all for your egos.  May they rest in peace.....he he.  I do love your egos....but they are not necessary.   Only love is necessary.

Do you any anything positive to say?  Do you want to uplift someone?  It is possible to act with beauty and dignity.  Try it......you might find yourself smiling.

Reality is not a righteous ego (that is make believe).....but a loving heart (that is eternal and real......ask your mother). My sweet child.....I adore you....now....go to your room......he he.

Can you laugh at yourself? Can you smile? Who do you love? What is your highest excitement? The beauty of your soul is beyond words......incredible you are.

There is no they.....there is only us.....we are one. 

I love me, I love you, I love everyone, I love everything that exists, I love everything that happens (the stuff dancing) and I love every second.........this is the love of GOD.  Audio opinions are like a grain of sand on one beach in all the beaches of the universe.

Check out some NDE (near death experience) videos.....for people describing love and joy beyond their imagination......totally changes their life.

The righteous act that way to try to validate their worth.  It is because they do not feel worthy.  You CANNOT do anything to validate your worth.  You are already worthy.  When you hold a newborn baby......what does the baby have to do to prove its worth?.....you know it is worthy.....it has no ego....it is pure.....it is not righteous.....it is pure love and you adore it.  Same with pets....same with small children.  

Please treat yourself and everyone as your own newborn baby.  You are already loved....you are already adored....you are already worthy.  You don't need to prove anything....you don't need to fight people and act superior or inferior.  Every soul is pure.....no matter what they have done or not done.  It has always been so.

When you can see everyone is your child....everyone is your pet.....then you start to realize just how beautiful everyone and every moment is.  "Celebrate good times.....come on."

Thank you great spirit for everything and everyone. And thank you for the 95% of audiophiles that KNOW that there are tons of things that improve stereo sound that cannot be measured. I have way more than 2 clients.......5 amps here right now being modded......3 more coming shortly....2 oppo 205s on the way....thank you, thank you, thank you. I am blessed.  We are all blessed.  Open your heart and feel it.....then share it with others.

And thank you for those that think otherwise. For drama is what makes life interesting.

When you say I only have two clients it makes it sound like I have no history and therefore no value. I have had more than a thousand happy customers throughout the years (been modding since the 70s...professionaly selling finished products and mods since 1989)........just responding to your put down.

And yes, I looked at that photo and most of the mods I did and that were verified by two people were done because of what I saw in that picture.

Can you let go? I am sure you will want to have the last word.....so go ahead. I vote to stop this nonsense.....and since it takes two to tango.....I am out. However, I will still contribute when the time it ripe.

 Making sad drama.....nothing to learn from the above.  please ignore.

Please guys.....do not respond.....just ignore.

 

I does not matter what you say to these guys......and this new addition....just above.....they will keep saying the same thing over and over again. What they want is attention and to fight . What there heart wants is love. However, their desire to "be right" dominates their postings.

Here is an intelligent way to deal with them......when they,....or a group of them (there are only about one half dozen of the worse) of these guys says something not true then one person should counter with the truth. No doubt that will set them off again but just let them rant. After that it is silence. You just let it go. If they have no one to fight with then they will go away.......or at least all their posts will be not replied to.....except for the +1s from their team mates.     no noise, miller carbon, phil, myself, tweak1, etc......just let one person reply with truth (without making them wrong or being that personal) then after that we do nothing. It takes two to tango.....it takes two to fight. If you point a finger at them they will throw a rock back.....and it goes on forever. Just love them. Let them have their say.......make sure one person counters with the truth.....and then we can all get back to the topic that wants to be discussed. I noticed that george had tons of posts ignored on one of the fuse threads.....way to go guys.....his posts were there but no one cared......very cool.....let’s do more of that....and we can stay in the love better that way.....keep the vibration high.....don’t fight.....don’t engage......just ignore....seek the truth....speak the truth....feel the beauty....feel the joy....right now.

please, do not respond. in fact, lets get to the space where we/I don’t even need to state this......should be just silence......a beautiful thing.......like their comments don’t exist.....just our happiness is real

All passive and active circuits add distortion (whether they measure different or not). All passive xover parts add distortion (some of which can be measured). All brands of resistors, wires, capacitors, coiils and their implentation all change the sound. The ear can hear what is lower distortion. Those that listen to parts and execution absolutely know this. Most manufactures know this. This is why you see more expensive parts being used.....it is not just to "sell" you something....it is mostly because they have spent hours and hours trying to find the lowest distortion sounding parts to make the sound the best.

Active xovers also distort the sound. Everything distorts the sound. The less stuff you have in the signal path.....the better. Sinlgle driver systems with augmented super tweeter and woofers are the real deal. When you hear a great sounding amp drving a great driver with no xover whatsoever......OH MY!

However a simple two pole line level passive xover right before an amp can blow your mind, as well. So, if you bi-amp that way.....the results are super. Then you can add a transistor amp with its own processor to do bass extension. Many ways up the low distortion ladder.

Happy Thanksgiving!  We are all so blessed.  Pease share with everyone.

I never said the amp with the lowest MEASURED distortion is the best (Halcro or whatever). What I am saying is that the amp with the lowest SONIC distortion is the best. And of course, we could argue all day about what is distortion and what is real. The ear knows best. The measured distortion of an amp is only a measurement of about one one hundreth of its sonic distortion (yes, it is important but without the other 99+ things you can do you are just scratching the surface of true transparency). You could take the same design by the same engineer that measures incredibly low distortion on some meter and give that circuit to 100 different people to implement it as an amp.........Since there are so many variables that change the sound.....you would end up with 100 amps that all sound different from each other. I have taken Bruno’s basic amp design’s and made them better sounding by changing and eliminating certain parts. These changes cannot be measured. You just change the AC inlet on an amp to a better one and you have better sound. This game is infinite!

There is no such thing as "distortion below audibility". What we hear is WAY way more than what we can measure. You can just damp the heatsink of an amp and you will hear lower the sonic distortion.....no measurement difference. You can remove the steel plate and bolt from a toroid power transformer and mount it off the chassis on some wood and you will hear a more open sound.....again, no difference in distortion measurements, but way lower sonic distortion. This game is not simple. If you think it is that simple then why would you post on a forum where most everyone listens to things to determine what they like, want, and what they think is lowest distortion? Why are you an audiophile if you believe that all you need is numbers? Just buy a 1977 Sansui Receiver and a pair of Advents and be done with it.

You could have measured distortion of 3 billion db down and still the amp would only sound as good as the execution and parts (the tons of things that cannot be measured yet make a serious difference in sound).  You have your 5% people like Kuribo that think everything we hear can be measured.  And you have the rest of us that believe our ears.  Good luck trying to convince anyone you are correct.....except for the other guys here who think like you......a very, very small minority....with big big mouths.....he he.

Thank you for your opinion.  I honor your soul and I know you are beautiful.  You are worthy.....we are all worthy.

This is all nonsense.......ramblings from someone who has never listened to this amp. The measurements are not proof that this amp will sound different with a 4 ohm or 8 ohm speaker. Please show me the double blind listening tests that prove that. This is all conjecture from someone who believes that measurements rule and that listening tests are not needed to "know" how something sounds. Does not matter how much spin you put on this.....this is just your belief system. And this belief system is believed by very very few people who read this thread.....and the people who believe their ears and not some words from someone who does not listen will NEVER believe your belief system......and that is because they have direct experience that tells them the opposite......that cables, tweaks, fuses, footers, cables off the floor, etc. all have a different sound and that most of these things CANNOT be measured.

I have never heard of a person who believes that cables sound different....eventually "evolving"????? ...he he... to a place where they now believe all cables sound the same. NEVER will happen. Once you hear cables make a difference you cannot go back. However, lots of people who did not believe cables sound different have become "converts".....once they actually listened with an open mind and heart.

Why don’t you go onto Jay’s thread?......and tell them that his latest $10K cables are all snake oil and that cables all sound the same?......and that the Synergistic fuses he heard are all snake oil.....and that his $5K speakers stands are all snake oil.....and that the footers he heard (and that he did not like)...are all snake oil (because you cannot hear a footer under a 100lb. amp sitting on a $5K stand). , and that more perfect measuring and cheaper gear are more accurate, etc..

The reason you will not go there is that they would laugh you right off....you would feel so low you would never come back. On these cheapo threads you feel less threatened and have your buddies to do the +1 thing. The bottom line is that what you say is just your opinion. Of course, this applies to all, including what I just said. It is just that my basic opinion.(that a lot of things in audio that make the sound better cannot be measured) is shared by most everyone here........and practically no one on ASR. Such is life. Life is beautiful.....and your stereo can be made to sound more beautiful by playing with infinite things. Its fun!

Have fun......we don’t need to be so serious. No one is getting hurt by buying this really good sounding amp or having mods done to it or whatever. Chill and bliss out......it is good for you.

So, you have sonically A/Bed the Orchard and the LSA in your system using the same cords, etc.....both burned in and you think one sounds better? Or are we still talking numbers and no listening tests to back up the numbers game?

I have some Orchard monos here right now that I am modding. I will hear how they sound for myself. No one can tell me what is best.....I will know for myself. Trust your ears.....do not trust words from me or anyone else. Trust yourself....you know what you want and what you like. The truth....is what you experience.....not what you are told.

What is so funny is that these "science is truth" people have no truth.   There are no double blind linstening tests that confirm one measurement is better than another.  We all know that in drag racing the fastest car gets the trophy.  There is no trophy in audio because none of these fake scientists have ever performed a test that has any meaning.  It is really a belief system based on wiggles on a scope and numbers....all signifying nothing.  It is a lie....plain and simple.  I would not go so far to state that these people are all lying for they are just converts of this religion and believe it to be the truth.  However, there is not one test that I have ever seen that correlates measurements with sound......none.....please show me one.  The guy at ASR believes that if a preamp/DAC/amp has a certain number then it is "transparent" and that an even better number is not needed.  He has no idea what he is talking about since he never listens to anything.  It is just his guess.  If you think your guess is truth......and you know its a guess.....then you are promoting lies......

So, you have two camps of belief.  Neither camp has any proof of anything.  What the measurement camp has is righteouness but they know deep in their hearts they have no science that proves that the numbers they worship are actually meaningfull.  The other camp has no proof that something they listen to is truly better than something else.....but, at least for each person, they have listened themselves and made up their mind which they "think" is best....based on direct experience.  Most audiophiles believe their ears......some only believe in wiggles and numbers.  Seems to me the more intelligent way to get great sound is to listen.  But, to each his own.  Which lie do you want to promote.  The lie of measurments or the lie of listening.  I prefer the lie of listening.  When I do listening tests with several people.....we all hear the same thing.....so at least its a group lie....he he.   So, which snake has the bestest oil?   The measurement snake or the listening snake?  You decide.

Have a blessed day you beautiful ones.....I hug you and squeeze your cheeks.and kiss you all with all my passion.......my sweet babies.