The theory of Penrose is founded in a very complex mathematical geometrical conformal theory of information...( and a reinterpretation of quantum mechanics with gravitational theory modulo "orchestrated objective reduction" his main concept )
It is impossible for me to put that in words here, and i dont wish to try to resume that ( I am not a physicist only an avid reader) … I can say that the crux of the matter, is that matter dont exist but information yes... Where is information if matter dont exist in an absolute sense?
Information participate in a universal creative memory matrix that we can think of only in a mathematical way....
Go and look at the photo drawing in my last posts... You will have a view of the universal cellular memory ….
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I feel the snow in my audio room....
I cannot stop this Bach organ...It is like stopping the most beautiful girl in the world and saying to her, ok I must change the view.... :)
The writing of Bach integrating all his melodic ideas in one fell swoop, and all these swoops in a bigger hologram, really makes other musicians,( and I love and admire all of them) like liliputians… Bach is the only one that makes you lives in the infinite. except perhaps Scriabin who swim in another infinite universe … :)
In truth the Bach’s infinite is an increasing accumulation, an extensive infinity, but the Scriabin’s infinite is in between 2 notes on each chord, intensive infinity... Anyway Scriabin is too much great genius to be understand at the first listening like Bach...
They are my 2 gods for clavier...
You know the story: the mother of Stravinsky said to him one day, Scriabin at least him had genius.... Oufff This is a hard mother indeed !
I dont remember where I read that....
But I must say that if Stravinsky makes perfect music scores, they are only that, perfect music scores of an ordinary genius like the monstrous Telemann … But Scriabin wanted to create a music that will transform really all humanity, in a Christ-like or buddha like manner, and it is incredible but it works if you try it seriously indeed....No ordinary genius anymore … :)
But at the end if I dont want to be partial to my taste : all great music makes us ordinary mortal, true genius...
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Yes but what is the Big bang ? what is veiled behind this concept... The Penrose theory is only one theory that try to light this mystery... An interesting one for sure.... There is some others... My point is that the classical concept of big bang is a temporary step toward a new theory that is no more constrainted by the straight jacket of a linear concept of time....
And to describe these 2 new dimensions of time that are not the past nor the future, but the dimension of action and the dimension of information, we need some new tools, instead of ordinary differentials equation, functional differential equations are the way to go according to an Indian mathematician...S.K. Rahu
I think that precisely this is right on the spot indeed.... For the right mathematical tools others will decide, but the 2 main dimension of time are not past or future at all, but action and information non linear flows...This is my intuition anyway... And this is linked to my own interpretation of a totally new mathematical theory of the cellular universal memory who was published in 2012 by a Japanese mathematician...Shinichi Mochizuki, but he named his theory Inter-universal geometry...
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Anyway I speak so much in part for cooling the too hot debate... I am not a scientist by any margin... But I learn to read.... :)
By the way I loved you all....
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The only important thing is having pleasure to dialogue without too much arguing...It is my goal here... And learning a bit too....My best... |
Some cooling is necessary here.... Why enters in the hot waters with some subject that is not only controversy in the scientific circle but in the public area?
And this subject is way above our shoulders in complexity...
For example why some think that the sun act on the earth solely by his varying distance and temperature? Is it his only way? A simple search will guide you to the answer that is no...
More safe if we takes a difficult subject, to pick one that will unite us not divide, cosmology or music, or snow, or audio matters … I am not very interested by battle between coolers and warmers, or any political small stupid agenda... I prefers mysteries to puzzles, poetic metaphors to prose journals rethoric… And polite conversation with benevolent dissents...
I successfully quit listening Bach organ for today.... :) And this without any deprivation syndrome...
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Anyone who deny the Big bang is ignorant, but anyone not conscious that the Big Bang is the result of " an extrapolation" with some "particular" mathematical tools of some facts is naïve...The Big Bang is the theory of some facts that ask for another concept of what we think about time... Time is not linear, nor cyclic....Think about a complex double spiralling movement implicating action and information non linear flows...Past and future are perceptive illusion that represent only one dimension of time...Describing the Big Bang implicate a new mathematical tools linked to a new concept of time... As for Penrose’s cycle of universes theory let’s cross that bridge when we come to it. 😛 Yes Captain Kirk... :) When I speak about that it was only an example, about some point I want to make about many different interpretations of the big bang.... |
I like poetry and this poem is very beautiful and moving...
The " ecstasy of reason" or any mystical insight cannot erase by itself the tragic outcome of life...What can we say to a mother who lost his son or daughter?
Silence is sometimes the only equation that is working...
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Beautiful video.... I like the song... thanks... |
I misperceived you Glupson sorry...If your world is shaky, alas my judgement sometimes is, then it is worst ... :)
I will only add that what is wheeled out to the graves is a body not a person... And I know that we are all linked... Then after this illusory but devastating separation I hope to see whom I love... My best to you and my deepest sorry for my rude prose and tone ...
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There is a relation between gravity and consciousness and I like Penrose because it is one of the first to guess that... But for sure I dont know if his theory, orchestrated objective reduction, interesting by itself, is right....
Perhaps the elementary fact that loosing consciousness, the body is at the mercy of some relatively " free fall", is a more profound metaphor than we first think of, at face value... :)
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You are right Glupson...
What is the value of wise man advice in face of tragedy? Only silence and action has value … I am not even wise, and I can only act like all of us...And shut up, (I always forget that say my wife) :)
There is temporary homelessness, and temporary loosing score...That was said by buddha and Christ... 2 fellows I respect a lot... :)
Somewhere a children is tortured, what can I say? Certainly not explaining the mathematics of Pascal bet....
My only point, except for the help we can offer to others in need, is that our thinking process transform us in what the thinking was at the beginning...Beware to think rightfully then... Good night my friend...
a last word: No logic and no mathematic, no science, nothing can replace Love....We all know that for sure...But I need to remind that to me at least .... :)
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Climate are always changing... But is climate changes are only caused by human activity ? Certainly not...
Is it a good thing that we unite to be less vulnerable to incoming changes in solar activities, meteorites, comets, and other catastrophes pending ? Yes...
Is there some consequences to human activity on earth that we must be conscious of ? Yes...
All other controversies are politically motivated, climate is a way too more complex thing to be solved in few words here...
Is there solutions? Yes...
Nourishment of the world population and education is one of the most important solution, improving the brain power by numbers and education by action...
What else to discuss? Nothing, the rest will produce controversies impossible to reduce in a polite intelligent and informed discourse here...
Next : audio, snow, music, even cosmology..... :)
Perhaps Scriabin?
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Thanks for your indulgence toward me and generosity...
But the body is a temporary creation, after death there is another body... Light body.... There is an infinite vibrations scale....I cannot prove that tough... It is not like the more easy concept of the universal memory I speak about today, this is only mathematics...The new body is not explainable with a mathematics I know of...
No one is homeless :) Because anyone inhabit his own world interpenetrating all the others...In a sense all that exist is our body...
The spirit and the body are the same, but in this world there seems to be a great difference between the 2, because the vibration is so low that the connection between the spirit and his body implicate some gap in time and space...But this is only my take...Not a truth...
One of the great genius of the past a true scientist and a seer, Swedenborg, was asked this question: what is death?... His economical answer is the best I ever read : " death is the inversion-transformation of the internal and the external" He was so erudite in all sciences that he was the principal scientific counsellor of the queen of Sweden... He is on par with Goethe, Vinci, or Newton....He influence all the 19 century literature and culture, so much so, that for example a doctorate on 19 century culture which will not use his works has no real value, and made numerous scientific discovery...
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Nothing to be afraid Glupson, you never break nothing....
Ok now, think with me....
All person is a node in an interconnected matrix, this matrix is mathematically descriptible, and contains an infinite information load...
No one can disappear out of this matrix without a trace...
This is my idea not yours...I know...
It is possible to suppose that this infinite information matrix does not exist, yes, it is a valuable opinion... It is your opinion...
But myself I see , I have seen, this matrix, I can show you this matrix of infinite potential information...If you accept to look at it some hours you will understand...Simple mathematical information by the way...
You can object: this matrix is only potential one, not an actual one...
Your objection is perfectly valid one...
But think about that: between 2 ideas, one is sterile (yours), the other idea infinitely fertile (mine)... what idea will you choose? for sure you are free and can go on negating the fertile idea and entertain the sterile one... Make your choice, mine is made...
Sorry to gives you a so good news Glupson, but we may continue this conversation after we are dead also, I hope your world will not shatter too abruptly... :)
By the way if you read medicinal journal, without any mathematics at all, you will discover some new scientific truth....,Myself I prefer mathematics but it is only taste...
We are flexible being of creative nature, beware: we begins to be what we envision to be...
My best to you … And I apologize for my not so subtle rhetoric but you are a sceptic of a radical kind no?
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People are so dumb, especially those that wanted to be dumbed, that there is conspiracies everywhere... For sure they are conspiracies, it is one of the impossible secret to keep forever...
People are so dumb, especially those that wanted to be dumbed, that there is no where an encompassing conspiracy that are victorious and truly dominates us... People are too dumb for that, especially those that conspires, and reality is too complex for that long term victory of conspirationists...
There is one exception, some conspiracies are temporarily successful and events going in the same direction transforms these conspiracies acts in new events of the same kind and then habits, there is a reification... Money is an example of that....
Conspiracy is a pyramid of inert stupidity acting like a blind motor....
If you want to understand anything in the universe, know that a plurality of conspiracies exist but turn the page and look at a most basic level...If not, you will be eaten alive by details and signs, lost in futility , fixated in one conspiracy among the others and no more able to really understand...
( I am a bit ashamed to have wrote that after this magnificent poem of Robert Frost, sometimes we awake dumber than we think...I apologize... :) )
End of this conspiracy of mine.... :)
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I will repeat here something I just wrote in my thread but it is too much important for any scruple... :) I just made an interesting discovery.... Why adding different stones help my identical Schumann generators in their efficiency... Why "nude" Schumann generators are less efficient for transforming my acoustical space? The reason is simple it seems... I stumble to an important discovery in physics, by the way of this article : https://www.sott.net/article/427727-Physics-shows-that-imperfections-make-perfect-systems The original article is here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-019-0742-y The principle the researchers discovered in Nature is : " Converse symmetry breaking"... In a word, «"When identical entities interact, they often behave differently from each other," said Motter, who is a professor of physics in Northwestern’s Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences. "But we identified scenarios in which the entities behave identically again if you make them suitably different from each other."» You must read the article to better understand but it is a short one... :) Introducing different stones on my identical seven S.G. makes for them easier their synchronization... Then the enhancement produced by the S. G. is more powerful... And introducing among these seven a 8th S.G. structurally different than these 7 identical others, increase again and improve the synchronisation of all the others... :) Amazing discovery, and an illustration of this important balance everywhere in Nature between symmetry and asymmetry and the process of synchronization itself and his improvement by finetuning the subtle balance between symmetry and asymmetry differences.... By the way the same thing is at the bottom of Mathematics I think....Synchronization between different universes is one of the main feature of the new mathematics by the Japanese prodigious genius Shinichi Mochizuki... For him mathematics is founded on a relative synchronization between endless numbers of universes and their reinitialization histories...These histories comes from the asymmetrical-symmetrical differences between addition operations and multiplicative one …( Arithmetical deformation theory is another name for his inter-universal geometry).This guy recreate mathematics on his own, the story is unbelievable by the way, but his maths are a bit difficult, even for geniuses...For the time being tough not many people understand his theory and the focus is only on his proof or absence of proof of the ABC conjecture... This will be of interest to some of you I think.... :) The relation with the topic of this thread or with the "snow" is this: Water is a sensible equation in the flesh, like a subtle mirror, and perhaps water is the matrix of life because it is the most sensible matter there is, sensible precisely to this fine balance between symmetry and asymmetry... Perhaps the symmetrical hexagonal illustration of an infinite variations in snowflake is a perfect example of this principle... VIVA SNOW..... :) |
Apparently the government ask for the army... ouff |
No lesson learned.... It seems that people like controversies....Myself I prefer convergent dialogue...In a complex matter, there is no point to argue with a crowd...The best is to speak around some consensual matter... Snow, Audio, cosmology, spirituality; no religion or politics, this is better this way...My 2 cents...:) |
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I wont mention name either....
By the way I just see a video of Newfoundland blizzard.... I recommend you to look for it.... It is amazing...
I think what will we do with only my shovel to go out of my house?
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I think that your reference was evidently John Lennon...We speak about world dictatorial leader no ?
:) This is a yellow smile....
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When I said that, warmers or coollers are only puppets of political agendas, being conscious of it or not, I only want to say that the search for truth is not the speaking of radical opinions, being liliputian left or giant right or vice versa.... When apocalyptic climate prophets or ostrichs dont speak to one another there is a problem... Because the survival of our species is linked to a world dialogue that begins in each country and between each of us.... Dont be offended, we are all puppets in this great theater of life, can we begins to be conscious?... This is one of the real news : https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018RG000629In a nutshell: the actual changes are way more cosmic than only terrestrial, the cause are cosmic, the effect on earth are only that effects from cosmic scale changes...We must unite all of us and think...Thinking process excluded sterile binaries historically obsolete political opinions.... Perhaps my post is too much oil on a fire? The moderators can erase it if they think this is the case with my blessings.... My best to all... |
I dont understand your post.... :)
Perhaps I am less swift in intelligence than my mirror let me know...
Or perhaps you are elusive? A drawing please.... :)
I understand that death had no political agenda....Ok.... I am a bit dizzy today...:)
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I am with you on the Change pattern on earth climate ...It is plain to see like you said Geoffkait...
The link I provide is only one, between others, that scientifically indicate some link between changes here, and change in the solar system (the sun) and the galaxy...
It is easy to read, and someone can debate but science had discovered decades ago now that changes on earth are frequently dramatic and more regular events than we think and that we assist to one...Unifying ourselves in consciousness is the only thing to do, arguing had no interest, thinking is better...Thinking without arguing with others but only with ourself is studying.... Communicate some facts, without arguing, is what we must do.... :)
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Nonoise you dont understand me, I dont negate climate changes, I negate the value of political agendas discussion, but the changes are very real....The causes are not only man made and probably not mainly man made, but men must reflect absolutely on his impact tough on this earth and humanity must unify in this consciousness...Even if the causes are cosmic and not mostly earth made, man contribute for the worst at this times, and battling against his own unconscious action on the planet is urgent planning...Climatalogy, geology, astrophysics etc they are many fields that converge in their studies to one fact: The Earth is linked to the Sun and the Sun is linked to the Galaxy, like your heart is linked to your brain and feets...
Humanity has not always ignored that his destiny is linked to the stars....It is only a recent event in history....
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You dont understand me... We must change our way.... Not because it is only man made, it is not only man made, but we must change our way together now because it is the ONLY way to be conscious... I am ok with those who want to change our habits, but the climate changes are way much more than only the results of our activity...The changes we are witnessing are only a beginnings of something much bigger...(One hundred years or fifty or whatever is tomorrow for conscious being) I say that for those who wanted to know, articles in science are there …. My political statement is not: do not do anything because it is only the stars the cause... I am not an "economical" motivated ostrich...My political statement is: forget left and right, and unify in action to be conscious in the middle of these changes...I am not an apocalyptic prophet neither.... Because we must do TOGETHER something...But lying on the causes and narrowing the consciousness only at the human scale , being an ostrich or a prophet of doom, is not my way... The question is not when doom will occur? It will someday nearer than we think probably,but this not what disturb me... The question is: how do we will feel being together at this time, more conscious or less ? This is what disturb my sleep this last question.... And this thread is a small scale version of humanity.... To say that you believe in climate change and that the causes are not man made, is a political statement, since it’s in the realm of politics that it is where the decisions to do something about it are decided. These climate changes are not in their causes mostly human made, but humanity go in the wrong direction destructing his planet, we must change...But we must also understand at the same times the real encompassing phenomenon that worked at all scales.... Changing without understanding is not my agenda...And we must do the 2 things at the same time now, acting and understanding, because they are no times to relax left... My best to you like always... |
Dont take it this way....I was not saying that in this intended way against you or your understanding...I just want to make my position clear...
Climate change there is,
We must act together, to promote the survival of all ecosystem now,
But sorry it is not ONLY man made...
This is my point...
By the way I know that stupid men can use this point to promote their agenda that is: do nothing....
But truth is more important than political agendas for me...
Nonoise, i have appreciated all your posts and I apologize if I have hurted your feelings....My best....
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Your observation even being right does not annihilate the true desire for truth in human being.... This desire is like hunger when people are not totally programmed or destroyed by the environmental conditions (war or political chaos or lies)...This desire for truth is the only food with love that human needs...I will silence myself here because I will pass for a preacher.... :)
Perhaps it is the reason I loved mathematics so much, there is no lies there, and in there is the foetus of the science of tomorrow...I am optimist only because of that fact that I can clearly see...
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It seems people read what they want to read... and understand only what they want to understand...
Millercarbon looking for a higher encompassing perspective is not the same as imposing a point of view like in a dictatorial unified state....Do I must give much explanation?
The politics I envision is one linked with universal alimentation for mankind and universal education.... The rethinking of the concept of money in his link with actual real economics life not finances.... etc... This is the beginnings...Politics is the way to do things, but there is no left or right in the politics of tomorrow...And no one world order for all in a pure Top-down fashion...
In history each civilization has only some thousand years at best to understand before being erased.... This is simple.... We must act in one spirit looking for the truth, not political agendas, but real political works... By the way the Greek invent democracy but the condition of democracy in the "polis" is " paideia" this means education....When a country is no more educated there is the choice between plutocracy or tyranny but not democracy... The Athenians has known that.... The great observer of the American political life the french Tocqueville say the same thing about American democracy....A citizen that is not educated cannot think for himself and democracy cannot exist then...Someone must learn to think for himself and this is hard task... Then we must remember that the first stage of education is the search for truth, after that only education in school can serve his purpose... My best...
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I think the same Nonoise, but my only point that seems to cause misunderstanding is the fact that these changes in climate has a more profound cause than juste human activity... For the rest I think the same: it is urgency to act to save soil and living beings, and the actual concepts in economy are in need of a complete rethinking...
Most people dont want to think it is too much hard...Reading books is too difficult and time consuming...But we live once and I decide in my younger age that I will try to understand something... Those that are at the head of state sometimes are so stupid and illiterate that they makes a proud success with their voluntary blinders costuming …Their solutions are childish, and vision of reality always polarized in 2 static positions... Alas!
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Millercarbon Climate change are not linked to thermal measures in the last century...Botched or trafficked or not.... If you read some serious books or articles you will discover that climate changes on earth are actually correlated to some profound scientific discoveries …. We dont speak here of thermometer trafficking numbers or not, like in this conspiracy site.... Read that link it is more instructive and the beginning of something world shattering...And this is only one article there is others... https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018RG000629
Climate changes are more related to Sun Earth magnetic field than to the workings of political agendas with thermometers markings, left or right, it is a fact in reality....The fact that the actual economic civilization destroy all soils, and living environment, accelerating the destruction process is another fact that is not debatable ... My best to you.... |
You are right Geoffkait...
But the desire and love for truth begins before formal education... And it is also a choice of society...A choice that can be valorized...
When a great part of a society does not valorize truth, but agendas, the first consequence is social chaos...
Guess where we can observe these facts at different levels of manifestation ? Pick a country and put that country in the scale consisting of 3 levels : Valorize truth mostly, half and half society, and finally those that does not valorize truth or cannot valorize truth no more...You will have the 3 steps toward chaos...
This is true not only for all compared societies on earth now but it is true for each one of them in the different steps of his own history...
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The desire to learn exist...I remember mine....Mine was also motivated by some helping adults...And basic education of children across the world is one of the most important task for survival.... I dont speak about educating all children in physics but in the basic needs of their actual living environment.... :) My argument for the climate problem solving was alimentation, education and protection all across the board of soil and trees and ecosystems...Not only schooling...Money must be redefined for example... Actual economical science as science is way behind astrology status ....( I am able to understand and read the 2 by the way and I can compared)… :) Those who reduce economy to finances instruments and finances mathematics are crooks not scientist even with a diploma ...Economy is too much complex science, like medicine, to be founded only on mathematics for finances affairs... One also assumes that once “everyone is educated” they will only vote people in who will act responsibly. Another huge leap of faith in my humble opinion. And also some democracies are possible that are not in the process of a dumbing down democracy, a problem already envisioned in his beginnings in America by Tocqueville... |
My own rants were nothing to compare to yours... Congratulations! :)
For sure I will avoid California like the plague disease....Especially "their convoluted ideas of fairness for all"...I just cancel my plane...
My best...
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Seriously, it is better to keep the subject around audio, or spiritual friendly matters...
Otherwise, who knows where we will go? I control already myself with difficulty...How about the others?
Intelligence is like Hi-Fi sound, it is not all there ready made out of the box in the beginnings, we develop it, we increase it, using it, by controlling the embeddings of the electronical components of the audio system in the acoustical-electronical-resonant field of the room, like we develop, increase, and control our intelligence throwing it in books and reflections in the world against ready made solutions and ready made ideas or opinions....
Ok, not a perfect metaphor at all, but I have tried.... :)
Then back to audio stuff, or snow... :)
Snow and all around snowy matters is beautiful subject....The hexagonal symmetry haunted me all my life...I know that the secret of the universe is linked to that in a way …:)
More than that hexagonal design isolation is good for containing sound and resonance....Another link to this secret of the universe....
I am serious this time....
Like said Groucho Marx : " Stupidity is perhaps my vocation, but no more my daily job"
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Sorry for the kid you were...
Indeed snow does not look like the same to all in all situations...
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The fools are released from asylum ? Damn LPS act, another reason...I will sell my property in L.A. tomorrow...
For those who shit on my boardwalk, I will use my guns, I use them already on my property against dogs ...Oups, no need, I forget I has decided to sell my property.... :)
And in my life I had never steal anything around few bucks and for what?... Eat?... I prefer greater amount of money...Legally is better, you know what I means ?... :)
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It seems snow is a past memory now..... :)
Thanks mapman for your refreshing lines of tought…. My best to you...
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Thanks for the lesson in history... I was indeed surprized that Reagan had signed that... He was only constraint by political context, after all nobody see him for lead actor role in "One flew over the cuckoos nest" …. And certainly not a thinker in health care... :)
And by the way like climate changes solutions or facts, understanding of (de)institutionalization is complex matter that is better not to deal with in cheap ideological debate...Or in an audio thread about snow … :)
I apologize for my big gran of salt...My best to you and to all...
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Very good line.... :)
Like said Groucho Marx : " Stupidity is perhaps my vocation, but no more my daily job"
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When during your entire life you were pursuing any political agendas instead of truth, the toll on your brain function add with times passing, believe it or not, this is science, and senility dont arrange anything...
My advice is : meditate about truth, dream about truth, think about it, but dont give to truth any name especially not the names of you best idols... Tremble and fear that the day may come that you will not care enough for truth...
How do we recognize truth? Simple : truth will not spare your superb and pride, nor your intellect and ideas, neither your actions...Truth will not name itself :"hello I am the truth and I am your friend". Truth is an energy like love without name...When we name them it is for our own sake, and then we betray love and truth...
After that meditation, left-wingers, and right-wingers, will appear like they always been : voluntary puppets responsive for the disease of their mind...
Sorry but sometimes we must clearly speak our mind... My best...
Truth and love remind me of 2 snowflakes, all are totally unique, individualized, pieces of matter arranged by the same geometrical symmetry betraying the ultimate oneness behind all...Then snowflakes remind me of truth and love and with this hexagon inscribed in the circle the circle is completed...
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So, we have to be open to something that cannot be owned and which is unique and unobtainable that will lead us to something no one can see. Glupson,it is difficult to be clearer about truth than this post by Nonoise, but I know that many like to mix and confuse the concept of truth with some facts, reducing some peculiar fact to truth, or truth to choosen fact, relatively to their needs... Those cannot understand truth and dont gives a dam about understanding it...They already know it well for their purpose and they use it...That’s all...Truth is what someone in power decide what it will be, like not so long ago the representative of some president says it is...Some not in power want to be in power and only use the so called" truth" to bend the mind of others... I am not religious at all, but I like Christ paraboles , and Nonoise words are the definition of Christ Kingdom of truth....It is also the Buddhist definition of pure consciousness...By the way it is my definition of the act of thinking in his essence...The great chinese philosopher and seer Lao-Tseu call it Tao...Is it necessary to name other names? :) In a word truth is always a discovery and always new.....Never a fact nor an object, nor an interpretation... Christ said that truth will free us...He was not a small guru imposing the will of his petty mind... The truth about which he speak is the think we must look at inside of us and in the world.... |
It is impossible to convince someone with facts or logical arguments...In fact it is impossible to convince no one at all, except those which own a spirit open to the truth...Because it is always the truth that convince us never someone... And truth is no one property...It is a personal and collective unending quest...Truth is a direction toward which no crowd can ever look at...
It is already difficult to be civilized discussing audio hobby...Imagine a subject so complex that we must think really about it to understand it a bit...Do you think that many here will admit that by them selves they dont have a clue? They cannot because they are no more an individualized spirit, they are all each one of them by himself a crowd, no more someone unique looking for truth...They are behind a flag, in the proper sense or metaphorically...
For example climate matters are really, really complex subjects integrating dozen of sciences, not only climatology...Actually climatology is even linked fundamentally to the astrophysics of the solar system... Then do you think that someone who read even a good press if that thing exist can understand what is at play now? No, not at all, most will adjust their nose to the wind like animals in fear and their opinions will only reflect that direction, nothing else....There is really great changes in earth and humanity now, and we must think about that, and act, in one spirit turned toward the truth...Not toward the flag of an idea, or a country, or of a group of interest, or a lobby....Toward the invisible flag of truth....
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No offense at all...
Your line is not only very good, spiritual, but absolutely exact...Your understanding is for me a great pleasure....Your line reflect what the human spirit really is... Only dogs or crowds look for something they can see, owns, manipulate or eat or copulate with....
Thanks to put something light in my too much seriousness... I confess that I am not a subtle and always light spirit...
My best to you indeed... :) I really smile....
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Even Einstein thinking he was right against Niels Bohr listen carefully and respectfully to the arguments of Niels Bohrs in the complex matters of microphysics...Just an historical example of discussion between right and wrong in science...
In climate and politics, which are matters more reflective of society’s choices, dialogue is mandatory, because truth is not property of right or left parties.... Facts in atomic sciences are measured by numbers, and can be reduced to numbers; in social life all facts are always "interpreted" facts, not by children claiming they are right but by thinking adult discussing, and conscious that truth is between them but not belonging to them....I apologize if I seem rude but how to say things directly? My best to you and thanks for this thread where we all learn to discuss...
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Glupson we are all in this situation of humbly admitting this fact about truth, you are now like those which are of good faith in the perfect place to appreciate truth... Think about this: who pretend to be smarter than you and pretend to understand what is truth?
The great American philosopher Charles Sanders Peirce, defines truth in his pragmaticist philosophy by claiming that we recognize a concept by the cumulative working of all of his effects...Like in Christ paraboles we recognize the tree by his fruits...I dont know what is truth, but truth encompasses and includes us all because truth may be the fruit of our action also....
Now before being a clown or a guru, I dont know which one I am already, but one ressemble the other, I will say nothing for sometimes now.... My best to you my friend... :)
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The instable dynamics of the solar system makes impossible the linear climatical predictions on a long term...
Actual economical human activity ask for collective thinking and solutions, and you were right, left ideology or right political agendas plays with the brains of people...But the situation is serious, never mind the fear agendas or the ostriches agendas...It seems human are like chickens, they distinguish only 2 possibilities...
I am ok to be back to snow and music, I ask for that many posts ago, but some dont want to, and I stupidly goes after them, I will gives you that... :)
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/denying-the-grave/201901/climate-change-denialClimate changes there are, it is plain open to see... They are not mostly and uniquely the results of human activities... The situation unbeknownst to most is far more critical, these changes are linked to greater changes in the solar system and Sun... But these news are not simple fact for ostrich newspapers... They are up to date specialized studies nowhere to be found except by those who search for some explanation...The irresponsible action of humanity economically does not help at all and increase the destruction of all life embeddings eco-systems... Negating this is ignorance and probably stupidity, which is only the persistant pursuit of different effects with the same economical recipe... My best to all... |
