" More sound out of smaller boxes" is a great advancement.
The horn speakers. There are many who won't listen to them, either vintage or modern. |
We keep perfecting the wheel too. Once something basic is discovered, it's discovered.
But, yeah, the spirit of creativity is down everywhere. Rudimentary computer digital times. Sucks. |
Atmasphere keeps stating debatable or simply wrong things in a categorical manner.
I think, what John is talking about is music lover's speakers versus hi-fi speakers. I am not familiar with high end vintage speakers, so won't comment, but there is something artificial in many modern speakers, they are sort of 'digital'. |
AM and shortwave radio with 18" speaker, this must be quite a thing.
Interesting discussion.
Modern figher jets need an army of service people to operate. Besides, one computer glitch and down they go nose first. |
So..it appears that John is right, there is no innovation in a true meaning of it, just some improvements in certain areas, maybe.
Speaking of cars, not from 30s. The original BMW M3, small and light, was a true driver's car. The same with Porsche. Now look at those modern computers on wheels that those cars have become. I don't need them. |
Nationality is always an issue, listen to any Dane but don't ask them. Listen to Americans too.
Even if it is a dogma, it can still be a correct statement. |
Agreed. There is no pride anymore, we are becoming a society of sh-tlovers. Disturbing. |
About quality of anything beginning with themselves. |
What a waist. Listening to a great pair of speakers with cd player instead of turntable or reel to reel deck. At the very least they could've done full Gryphon electronics, why Chord and Gryphon in one chain? |
That's probably the reason why he put class A Gryphon older reference amp in there - to make digital sound a little nicer. When he puts real analogue source and either full Chord or full Gryphon electronics chain, then I will listen to that system, opportunity permitting.
Until then - sorry, no interest from me. He should get serious, especialy considering what he charges for his speakers. No Danes will fool true American audiophiles. |
Orpheus10, thank you, this sounds like a good idea. But I would not do the job myself, not really a handyman. I can sharpen a knife but this is different. I don't know what kind of caps my speakers have. |
I got 20 years old 8" Vifa woofer and 1" Vifa tweeter in the speakers I have. The cabinets are made the way as if I'd made them myself, not the last word in cabinet making. But the overall sound is quite impressive with the right source and electronics. |
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We could go into interesting discussion that would lead us too far away. I try not to think with dogmas, if that's what you mean.
One day digital might sound better than analogue, but not yet. When demostrating reference level speakers or entire system, I would expect and demand reference level analogue source to begin with to be able to see what this system is capable of. You can add digital too later, for fun and comparison. And adding class A Gryphon amp would not be system integration or tuning in this case, at least in my opinion, but this point is debatable, I guess. |
An ideal violin should have no voice of its own either - it should just be able to convey the music that is in the mind of the performer. |
Yeah, sometimes one must maintain a totally uncompromising position no matter what. Not good for a discussion, especially when the subject is complex and debatable.
Very nice post, Tim. |
Did they really sound better than most modern speakers or just had a different vintage sound? |
This one is easy. The ideal speaker should sound like a great concert hall. It would have to have the same size too. |
Wrong. If you are going to build an airplane you should know that you want to crash in style. |
John, I think the more people rely on computers the more they will become like computers. And I don't want to see it let alone participate. |
I thought that for the horn to go very low it had to be the size of a house. Was I wrong? |
Perhaps there cannot be any more breakthroughs for a very long time, who knows? When all you really want to do is sell sell sell, you will create nothing except more ways to sell. |
John, I think you stress the emotional component, which in my mind is also the most important. I heard a few fine instruments that didn't give that no matter who played them, and I heard other instruments that sounded a lot like the vintage design speakers you are talking about. And I heard two that got everything right. Custom acoustic guitars. I can't really play a guitar but I can strike a few accords. Wow, that was quite a sound. The other even much better guitar was played by Paco de Lucia - custom Conde Hermanos.
Something is being lost in modern sound reproduction, I think, and it cannot be compensated by anything. |
Well, all these questions go far beyond audio. Perhaps, nothing is ever new under the sun. I view speakers making as a fine art, unlike everything else in a chain, that is just art. |
And we are still infinitely far from fully mastering the fire, whatever this means. |
