Looking to Develop A Short List of Amplifier Candidates For A Pair Of JBL 4367 Speakers


Over a number of years I have owned JBL 4365 and eventually moved on from them. I tried a pair of Martin Longan CLX ART, but my room was not well suited for them. A failed experiment with a lot of lost hours in it. I ended up coming home to JBL and acquiring a pair of 4367.

They are a lovely speaker and are well suited for my 15' by 19' by 8' room. Controlled directivity from the horn augmented by minimal room acoustic panels and a light touch with the Trinov DSP system works for me.

The amplifiers I have been using are a pair of Classe Omega monoblocks. But the reality is they are massive, are way too much power for a pair of 94 db efficient speakers, cannot be moved by me alone, and are just wasted in this application. So they have been sold and are pending pick up when the new owner gets back from vacation.

So I am developing a short list of amplifiers. Going through the whole gamut, tube, solid state, and Class D. On the 4365 I once tried a pair of Audio Mirror Reflections since in my past I was a user of Single Ended Triode amps. But even with "larger" SET power, the woofers on the 4365 were not well controlled at all. Another failed experiment. With the 4365 I had used a PS Audio BHK250 with decent results, a pair of AVM Audio Amp Essential monoblocks with excellent results, and a H20 Audio 250 Signature Class D amp with interesting results. The AVM and Classe have provided the best results so far.

So the question is, are there Class D amplifiers that meet the sound quality requirements these days. I have seen some amps using a Hypex or Purfi module with a tube front end. Also have heard the latest generation Orchard monoblocks are worth looking at. Anyone have any other candidates, or thoughts?

In the past JBL was known to mate well with tube amplification. But I imagine this is going to have to be push/pull. In the past I have owned Dynaco and then Quicksilver before I went to explore the world of SET amplfiers. When I bought the 4365 I had thought they were going to be agood match with my Electraprint amplifier, but I was completely wrong on that one. What power level would I have to reach with tube amplification?

Finally in terms of solid state, the choices are huge. I know McIntosh was often a favored pairing, but I have never been a fan of the brand. I wonder about some of the solid state Conrad Johnson offerings, but I think they may be getting long in the tooth these days. I have thought about BAT. I actually have a First Watt F7 here that is my back up amp and it runs them better than a person would have imagined. The latest generation of AVM is now a hybrid, and ownership by Burmester might be a good thing, I would like to think I could get service in the US for them.

Any thoughts or experiences you want to pass along would be greatly appreciated.

neonknight

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@neonknight wrote:

Out of curiosity: why did you get rid of the JBL 4365’s - i.e.: what did the 4367’s to your ears bring to the table by comparison?

The amplifiers I have been using are a pair of Classe Omega monoblocks. But the reality is they are massive, are way too much power for a pair of 94 db efficient speakers [...]

The first question that pops into my head here, looking past your rationale to let them loose, is how the Classé amps actually mated with the JBL’s from a sound perspective? With regard to power and its speculated excess, practically speaking I don’t believe you can have too much power with more modern JBL’s with larger voice coil woofers - despite their moderately high efficiency; on the contrary more power to such woofers can turn out to be a benefit. Indeed, it’s about how those JBL’s react to more powerful amps/PSU’s, even at lower volumes. 

In the past JBL was known to mate well with tube amplification. But I imagine this is going to have to be push/pull.

I believe Greg Timbers had a notable fondness for Quicksilver amps over the horn-loaded mids/high compression drivers of his JBL designs and pairing them with solid state amps for the woofer section, albeit he seemed to find running them actively, initially with analogue, electronic crossovers was the preferred scenario, and so naturally gain matching between the driver sections had to take place anyway. This can be more tricky with passive bi-amping using different amps with different gain horizontally, a configuration that may otherwise have been a shoe-in in your case and trying to take advantage of different virtues of different amps topologies, while largely avoiding their weaknesses selectively.

From my chair though using different amp topologies when bi-, tri- or quad-amping (or more), while tempting at first with the incentive behind it, invites potential new issues that can impact overall coherency, and so my choice would be to look for a same amp solution covering the entire frequency spectrum of the JBL’s. Leading me to this paragraph of yours:

Finally in terms of solid state, the choices are huge. I know McIntosh was often a favored pairing, but I have never been a fan of the brand. 

A friend of mine who’s a pro audio dealer while being a true nerd (and gear collector) of an audiophile incorporating pro segment speakers and amps into his private, home audio setups with high-end analogue and digital sources, initially used McIntosh MC2300 amps in numbers over his then large and actively configured JBL 5670-series cinema speakers among others, in addition to Crown Studio Reference I amps later on. Eventually though these all had to go (finding buyers wasn’t a problem, and they willingly paid large sums for these older amps), and instead he set his sights on the british MC² Audio amps from the individuals behind Klark Teknik and Turbosound to take over, and which they have done since.

As it so happens, with his influence I’ve been using MC² Audio in own setup for a few years now, and they are downright excellent amps - both professionally, I’m told, and in a home stereo environment, functionally as well and not least sonically. The catch to audiophiles? Mainly non-fancy pro looks and their built-in fans, which can be replaced with quiet versions. Another catch: low price (we should know what that’s about) and going below radar to most, coming from the pro audio segment not least. 

Summing up: using MC² Audio amp myself I have solid experience with them, less so with the JBL 4367 speakers (haven’t owned the 4367’s, although I’ve heard them several times), and not with the combo of those. Still, the MC² Audio T and S-series amps I've heard are smooth, highly resolved and honest sounding with an abundance of power at their disposal, so I can easily imagine them being a very good match with the 4367’s, also from what I know of the characteristics of the latter that I wouldn’t pair with dry sounding amps.

Specifically I’d recommend the T1000 model as an outset, but the more expensive S800 and S1400 are excellent as well though sounding virtually similar to the T1000. The T1000 (depending on the measurement technique) is a 450W/8 ohm amp, class A/B topology, and I use two of them in my own setup actively for my main speakers + the larger T3500 sibling for the subs. The T1000 retails for about €1,700, but please: don’t let the low price scare you off.