LONDON Decca, Tzar DST and similar cartridges


I have always been curious about these phono cartridges and the Stereophile review of the Tzar DST has heightened my interest. When I read about the peculiarities of these cartridges, I am put off from trying them. Can anyone offer persuasive reasons to try them and also provide real practical advice on how to make them work reliably?  Tonearm suggestions? Phono preamp suggestions? Damping recommendations? How badly do they grind out record grooves?  Any other words of advice? Thanks. 
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I have the London Decca Reference
http://i.imgur.com/KNDkQoV.jpg
and Jonathan Valin fairly nailed it in his review late 2008
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/london-reference-phono-cartridge/
I don’t hold with all the current theories and folk-lore about cartridge and tonearm matching.
In my experience of a dozen tonearms and over 70 cartridges of all types.....I have HEARD the results of supposedly ’kosher’ and ’unkosher’ combinations and it is my view that the very best tonearms will work with every single cartridge regardless of weight and compliance. Because of the different cartridge body materials utilised by manufacturers....the headshell material of the tonearm greatly affects the ’matching’ to the tonearm.
Because most modern high-end tonearms don’t have interchangeable headshells, the majority of high-end audiophiles are at the mercy of poor cartridge/headshell compatibility.....NOT tonearm compatibility.
So I have my Decca London Ref mounted on my Dynavector DV-507/II which is a mighty weighty arm with extreme rigidity (particularly in the horizontal plane).
None of my arms utilises damping and three of the unipivots I owned which used it were a PITA 😡
The Decca London is one of the lightest cartridges I have owned so you will need a counterweight and arm which can balance this.

When I first mounted it, it certainly DID emphasise many more clicks and pops than I was ever aware of on my favourite discs. But after 10 hours or so of run-in....this flaw diminished.
What it also does is reveal any damaged groove wall on a particular disc......damage which is not revealed by any other cartridge.
But this has occurred (so far) only on my favourite 45 year-old test record...and only on a few grooves.
I think this may be the genesis of the ’myth’ that the Decca London "grinds out record grooves"....
It is also true that it picks up groove dirt and dust faster than others and it will repay you handsomely if you brush, dip in Magic Eraser and finally Onzow ZeroDust after every side.
The only shortcoming of the cartridge which may bother some, is its narrow soundstage.
There is plenty of soundstage depth but any width beyond your speakers is unrealised terrain.

That being said.....the Decca London Reference is perhaps the most ’alive’ cartridge you will hear. It is much more aligned to the great vintage MMs of the past in that respect, than to modern LOMCs and that pleases me enormously. 
Everyone speaks of its amazing midrange but it is certainly no slouch in the bass department...😍
For demanding classical recordings.....whether individual instruments, trios and quartets or full-blown orchestral extravaganzas.....it is unsurpassed in my experience.
If you choose to live under the oppression of the illusion of tonearm/cartridge matching....there is precious little analogue joy ahead of you,
For those enlightened few who possess tone arms with interchangeable headshells....simply select a good wood one like the Yamamotos or Ortofons for metal-bodied cartridges and metal headshells for plastic-bodied ones. Stay clear of carbon fibre...😱

Of far more importance for the Decca London Reference cartridge as bdp24 says....is the loading.
15K-22K Ohms Resistance together with 220pF Capacitance is about right......and this is far from the standard 47K and 0pF most phono stages are set for.
Attemtion to proven physics will reward more than the belief in voodoo superstition...🙈
What intrigues me bdp24....is why the Tzar DST is so heavy whereas the Decca London Reference is so light...?

However, no matter how good the Decca is, it doesn't beat a 15 IPS master tape - no way.
I have several cartridges (out of the 70+ I have owned) that are closer to the sound of master tapes than the Decca London Reference. The high-frequency performance of the DLR is certainly not as vivid, crystalline or shimmering as many of my top MM and LOMC cartridges and as mentioned earlier, the width of the sound-stage is disappointingly narrow.
The charm of the DLR is in its sheer 'bravado' and unabashed delight in its presentation of 'SOUND'.
For those used to the inhibited and precisely self-conscious nature of most LOMCs....this can come as somewhat of a revelation. However, for those with an appreciation for the finer vintage MMs, the Decca London sound is merely a confirmation of what true vinyl reproduction can achieve.
Hope this doesn't come off as sounding gratuitous or over-the-top!

It might if one hadn't actually heard the DLR....😎
If so is it normal or is it suboptimal setup as some suggest?
Certainly not normal here......
And that's with all types of headshells on four different arms. Is the "nasal squeal" you hear, coming through the speakers or from the tonearm/cartridge?
I can't get a grip on exactly what your hearing....?
I always ‘mute’ the amp before raising or lowering the cartridge to avoid any chance of ‘unnecessary trauma’ to the speakers.
That’s just good practice and would avoid your experiences if you did likewise 😊
Just tried the LDR raising and lowering it without the ‘mute’ engaged....and I get a ‘squeak’ when raising the arm but not when lowering it.
And the squeak occurs regardless of any position on the vinyl....so I’m going to proffer that it seems normal.
It is still inaudible with the ‘mute’ engaged 😁
@bydlo I'm pleased you were able to 'trial' the LDR via my videos and find it a "revelation" 😃
I have been listening to it just the last day and agree with you....
I would not recommend that you adjust the VTA just to try and eliminate this sound because I believe it's quite normal.
The reason I think there is no 'squeak' when I LOWER the arm, is because the hydraulic lifter on the FR-66S lowers it gently in a very controlled manner.
Because the LDR has no cantilever, I think there is no 'flex' when the cartridge contacts the groove or leaves it.
Therefore I'm convinced it is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about...🤗
Happy listening
Kinda lost touch with this Thread.....🙃
Just made a little 'soundbite' of the Decca to remind everyone just how good this cartridge is....
If you've ever listened to one of the famous Mercury Living Presence records with any of the dozen or so current uber-priced LOMC Cartridges....chances are you might have gritted your teeth during the high-frequency crescendos/climaxes cut into the lacquer during the mastering process.
The LDR manages to decipher and unravel these pressings in a realistic and non-fatiguing performance.

LONDON DECCA REFERENCE

When all is said and done.....for those audiophiles hesitant about testing the world of 'Vintage' (Used) cartridges and with $5,000-$20,000 to spend......I can think of no better sounding current new cartridge.
And for $5,000.....as the Reviewers like to say.....it's a real bargain 😝
Congratulations Bydlo, on your (soon to be installed) LDR 🎉
I'm glad my videos were able to help in your decision.....
Just be patient with it and give it time and attention.
Like a petulant new girlfriend, you'll have to give a little for her to give a little until you're both cemented in what could be a permanent relationship 👄❤️

Hope to hear some encouraging reports from you after your first 'date' 😝
I use the UNI-protractor for all my cartridge set-ups except with the DV-507/II which comes with its own easy-to-use Overhang Gauge.

I don't think you should have trouble with the Mint.....
Presumably Yip prepared it with the P to S distance of 250mm rather than the 251.5mm recommended by Dietrich Brakemeier....?
And he normally sets it to Baerwald (Löfgren A)...so just ensure your P to S is as accurate as you can get it.
Good luck.
Thanks Noromance.....😃
You wrote a few years ago advising against graphite headshells. What changed your mind?
Good question.....
I made the common mistake of audiophiles in 'assuming' that my experiences with carbon-fibre (not graphite) in the playback system (mats, tonearms) would apply to headshells as well....🤗
When I actually tried the Yamamoto HS-4 Carbon Fiber in my system....I realised I had been wrong.....🙃

Are you still having the same issues with your HS-4 headshell....?
This is for you Bydlo....to keep you going till your LDR arrives 😃
I run mine at the recommended 1.8Gm (2/3 Static Force, 1/3 Dynamic) with a modicum of Antiskate 🤏

This shows the versatility of the LDR to 'rock' despite the often disruptive interference of Phil Spector....

LONDON DECCA REFERENCE