Listening Skills Part Duex: What are you listening for?


Had a few experiences lately that together were a stark reminder of something known for a long time, because I lived it myself.  

In the beginning, or at any rate going back to about 1991, I was unable to hear any difference between different CD players and DACs. Even some amplifiers, they might not sound exactly the same but I was hard pressed to say why.   

This went on for a long time. Months. Many months. Like okay a year. Whatever. During which time I was driving around hitting all the Seattle/Portland area stores listening to everything I could find. About the only difference big enough to be sure of was receivers. They for sure are crap. But even there it was hard to say exactly in what way. Just the difference there was glaring enough it was obvious this is not the way to go. But that was about it.    

All during this time of course I was reading Stereophile and studying all the reviews and building up a vocabulary of audiophile terms. The problem, seen clearly as usual only in the rear view mirror, was not really being able to match up the terminology with what I was hearing. I had words, and sounds, but without meaning, having no real link or connection between them.   

One day after yet another frustrating trip to Definitive I came home and put on my XLO Test CD and was listening to the Michael Ruff track Poor Boy when it hit me, THIS IS THAT SOUND!!!  

What sound? Good question! The better high end gear is more full and round and liquid and less etched or grainy. Poor Boy is Sheffield, all tube, and so even though being played from CD through my grainy etched mid-fi the tubey magic came through enough to trigger the elusive connection. THIS is "that sound"!  

Once triggered, this realization grew and spread real fast. In no time at all it became easy to hear differences between all kinds of things. "No time at all" was probably months, but seemed like no time at all compared to how long I was going nowhere.  

What happened? There are a near infinite number of different sonic characteristics. Attack and decay, fundamental tone, harmonic, and timbre, those were a few of the early ones I was able to get a handle on- but the list goes on and on.   

Just to go by experience, reading reviews, and talking to other audiophiles it would seem most of us spend an awful lot of time concentrating real hard on our own little list of these terms. We have our personal audiophile checklist and dutifully run down the list. The list has its uses but no matter how extensive the list becomes it always remains a tiny little blip on the infinite list of all there is.   

So what brought this to mind is recently a couple guys, several in fact, heard some of the coolest most impressive stuff I know and said....meh. Not hearing it.   

This is not a case of they prefer something else. This is not hearing any difference whatsoever. At all. None. Nada. Zip. 

Like me, back in the day, with CD.  

These are not noobs either. We're talking serious, seasoned, experienced audiophiles here. 

I'm not even sure it comes down to what they are listening for. Like me in '91, hard to know what you're listening for until you know what you're listening for.   

Which comes first?
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Showing 2 responses by oldhvymec

OK MC I’ll spell it out. Sense no one gets it.. I understand a GOOD ear has to be able to hear a Tick Tick Tick with 100db of ambient noise but THAT Tick Tick Tick is at 75 db.

People didn’t get it because you didn’t make it clear what you were trying to explain.

You tell me if YOU can do that. I know I can.. Few except a mechanic training a mechanic can do that..

Mechanics that don’t have the EAR or EYE chops (and there are a lot), usually develop other skills and go grab the guy with the ears OR the eyes to figure something out...

FEELING deep anomalies in equipment is a skill to.. Some have it, most don’t.. I’ve worked around operators that knew when anyone touched their rigs.. much less changed anything..

Dave Engan one of the fastest foundational drillers in the world...

How many peoples depend on their hearing to trouble shoot anything?
AND get paid for it..

Musicians, and recording Techs. The artist in my mind, is guys like Brian Wilson from the BB that new what he had to do to make the sound he liked for YOU to hear.. That is an ear beginning to end..

Hearing skill are no way limited to audiophiles in spite of what the audiophile community may think. Making a living listening is not easy in a LOUD world.

In other words MC dummy it down for the old mechanic, I’m no friggin genius. :-) Big word are like BIG turds... To guys like me.. Romp.. :-)

And don’t get pissed. Like a guy from New Orlins’ use to say. You got mad in them pants, you can get glad in them pants.. :-) Justin Wilson!!!

Regards..
"paralysis-by-analysis"

Man does that make sense.

I've read this thread 3 times. 

I should have just feed the damn chickens, then I'd be happier in spite of my simple self.. I guess that's my "pi equals MC squared", moment.

Does ESP (the P is optional) hearing make sense? It does to me..

Not ESD. Extrasensory Deception..

Comprehension is my weakness
deception is my enemy
perception is my salvation.

Good enough for me..

Regards