Listening skills: How do you learn to listen?


Double-entendre. 


Had a few experiences lately that together were a stark reminder of something known for a long time, because I lived it myself.  

In the beginning, or at any rate going back to about 1991, I was unable to hear any difference between different CD players and DACs. Even some amplifiers, they might not sound exactly the same but I was hard pressed to say why.  

This went on for a long time. Months. Many months. Like okay a year. Whatever. During which time I was driving around hitting all the Seattle/Portland area stores listening to everything I could find. About the only difference big enough to be sure of was receivers. They for sure are crap. But even there it was hard to say exactly in what way. Just the difference there was glaring enough it was obvious this is not the way to go. But that was about it.    

All during this time of course I was reading Stereophile and studying all the reviews and building up a vocabulary of audiophile terms. The problem, seen clearly as usual only in the rear view mirror, was not really being able to match up the terminology with what I was hearing. I had words, and sounds, but without meaning, having no real link or connection between them.  

One day after yet another frustrating trip to Definitive I came home and put on my XLO Test CD and was listening to the Michael Ruff track Poor Boy when it hit me, THIS IS THAT SOUND!!!  

What sound? Good question! The better high end gear is more full and round and liquid and less etched or grainy. Poor Boy is Sheffield, all tube, and so even though being played from CD through my grainy etched mid-fi the tubey magic came through enough to trigger the elusive connection. THIS is "that sound"!  

Once triggered, this realization grew and spread real fast. In no time at all it became easy to hear differences between all kinds of things. "No time at all" was probably months, but seemed like no time at all compared to how long I was going nowhere.  

What happened? There are a near infinite number of different sonic characteristics. Attack and decay, fundamental tone, harmonic, and timbre, those were a few of the early ones I was able to get a handle on- but the list goes on and on.  

Just to go by experience, reading reviews, and talking to other audiophiles it would seem most of us spend an awful lot of time concentrating real hard on our own little list of these terms. We have our personal audiophile checklist and dutifully run down the list. The list has its uses but no matter how extensive the list becomes it always remains a tiny little blip on the infinite list of all there is.  

So what brought this to mind is recently a couple guys, several in fact, heard some of the coolest most impressive stuff I know and said....meh. Not hearing it.  

This is not a case of they prefer something else. This is not hearing any difference whatsoever. At all. None. Nada. Zip.

Like me, back in the day, with CD.  

These are not noobs either. We're talking serious, seasoned, experienced audiophiles here.

I'm not even sure it comes down to what they are listening for. Like me in '91, hard to know what you're listening for until you know what you're listening for.  

Which comes first?
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Showing 7 responses by jetter

Bear in mind this is a last resort. Need I remind you of the letters these people have mailed trying to threaten and harass me even to the point of filing fraudulent charges against my x-ray license? They all know about this, and yet not a one of them has spoken out against it. So that shows just how aberrant they are.
This is a pretty serious accusation that you have made twice now.

I am a certified public accounant who retired a couple of years ago after 45 years as the tax director of the largest electric company in Vermont, which is still very small compared to most other states. I have worked for some very large fortune 100 companies before that. In other words, I have been around.

If someone was to file a negative performance report on you with your place of business or a review board it would need to be signed by the person complaining so it could be verified that it was filed by an actual customer. No business or especially review board would or should take seriously an anonymous, unsigned complaint. How would someone on this forum who was not an actual customer of your place of business file a complaint?

Is it possible that you are blaming Agoners for the actions of some of your actual customers?  I can only speak for myself, but it is my impression that very few or more likely none of us takes this hobby, or any of the other posters, including yourself, that seriously to do the underhanded, vile things you are describing.


If this is the case someone else put it, and I am sure Mapman’s name on this complaint. How would you or any other Agoners other than whom I have bought or sold from even know what my name is?  Besides that, I have only PM’d a couple of people ever on this forum in 20 years.

Or are you saying the complaint letter was signed by jetter and mapman and other Agon names?
@mapman
I was informed by a member MC claimed my "name" was on some letter as he describes.
MC repeats this in one of his posts above.

Your name is on the letter. Mapman’s name is on the letter.




@isochronism 
Map, while getting to the bottom of it, understand that you are in turn scraping the bottom. We are to strive for the highest level.
I know you were addressing mapman, but obviously I don't live in the same world that you and some of these other people live in.  In mine, when someone accuses me of signing and sending complaint letters to a persons place of business or worse yet his professional review board and I have zero idea what he is talking about that needs to be addressed.
@thecarpathian
Let us keep in mind that MC stating he has a letter signed with our user names is in no way libel if he truly has it in his possession.
Ha, who is going to take seriously a letter signed by jetter, mapman and last but not least, thecarpathian?  Might as well be Mo, Larry and Curley.  I was assuming, if there is a lettter, somehow someone found out our real names.

But agree, let’s get to the bottom of this once and for all.
Any of you "new" members from the last couple of years, if you have a problem with those of us that have been here for the last 20 or so years that are not pleased with a member cramming down our throat some evil stuff we supposedly have done, that’s tough luck.  You can always feel free to move on.

By the way, you "sensitive" ones, who don’t like controversy, funny how you managed to get geoffkait kicked off. He was truly a knowledgeable and interesting member and has not come close to being replaced.  Even though in the past we all had our differences, we never thought about or resorted to having a member "banned".  That takes a special type of weasel.
Now you see why I'd rather feed the chickens. My chicken cackle a whole lot less..
Well you know out here in Vermont we have lots of farms that have chickens, horses and pigs, and I am sure if you like feeding them they would gladly let you, for free.  And while you are at it if you want you can feed and milk the cows, shovel the sh*t, fertilize, till, plant and harvest the fields, right before haying and bailing, from before dawn until after dusk, everyday, whether it's -30 or 100 degrees, forget about vacations.