Linestage types versus soundstage


A little background. I have been cynical about powered linestages in a digital system. If the impedance ratios are okay, what needs any gain or amplification? Isn’t “straight wire with attenuation” the goal? What’s all those components doing in there if it all ends up going through an attenuator anyway? Would such linestages exist if CD’s had been invented before vinyl? As I watched these products climb to $10K, $20K and beyond, it just seemed stranger—likened to a product that makes water wetter. Cynical, rational me.

But I still felt audio was an experiential endeavor, and had a tube integrated because I enjoy music played through it. I got the upgrade bug and bought the newer, bigger, better tube amp from the same great company, thinking I’d stay in budget by running my Benchmark DAC2 HGC straight into it.

So I did. Things are clearer and more extended…and the soundstage moved to the wall behind the rack and went flat. Let me say here that I have complete belief and trust that Benchmark products are at the top of their class. I respect their recommendation to place nothing between their DAC’s with HGC and the amp. Nevertheless, I borrowed back my old Pass Aleph P linestage. This line stage allows me to optionally add gain to each single-Mosfet channel that fronts a high-quality attenuator. I did that and the soundstage seems taller, but not back to the voice hovering-in-space of the tube integrated.

To summarize, I’ve gone from a tube integrated to tube amp driven from a very good DAC, and gone from EL34’s to KT88’s, and gone from single-ended to balanced, but the DAC and speakers are the same. Perhaps I’ve screwed up something else in the signal path. I wasn’t planning on adding another device, but it looks like I’ve crossed the Rubicon on tube-powered linestages, which I’ll judge on experience rather than thought. Still, some questions hover:

1) What creates soundstage and is there something about tubes that gives them this ability?
2) How is the signal leaving a powered linestage better than the incoming signal? I can answer that question for amps, phono stages and MC step-ups, but beyond "attenuated" I'm still conflicted on powered linestages.
3) Is there an argument that a lot of energy behind the signal going into the linestage attenuator can produce better results? If not, why does BAT have all that energy storage?
4) What new or used tubed preamp less than 4k will give me back that compelling 3D soundstage that extends in front of speakers without added bloat and syrup? New Backert, ZOTL or Van Alstine or a used BAT or AR?  I'd like one that doesn't create a lot of heat.
6) Should I leave things as they are and look to speakers to address the soundstage issue?

I’m going to AXPONA to see what’s out there.
Thanks for any advice or education.
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Showing 1 response by audioman58

Buy a quality Line stage with very good attenuators, alps sucks ,
a Khozmo shunt with Vishay naked,Takman resistors, 
and great digital remote . Gold point excellent  also. Th3gesta transformer type crazy monies $1500.
i had Vacuum tubeguru Radu Tarta  build me a custom Lundahl transformer based one  for 1/2 of what the Hugh markup charge 
with night and day better quality parts  for $5k range using 
one of the most linear tubes ever made the 4P1L . For 95bd and under sensitivity, or a 2 box unit seperate power supply allways slightly better ,a 300b based preamp . I have a Solid state rectified unit, a bit tighter and faster in the Bass, but tuberectified isplumper
sounding all about preferences . Your soundstage will be Huge ,
great depth of field and lock on imaging . That I can guarantee you.
i have a Pure Audio Project Speakerdual neo 15 inch a Bass drivers and a Voxativ full rangedriver just used from 375 hz and up.
and capacitor,Xover you choose.  My point is you are not limited 
you can have made and voiced to Your preference with much higher quality Premium parts I owned in the U.K until 2007
and know what is inside , it is shocking how many $10k amps,preamps using just average parts , even critical coupling caps , Mccintosh for example great build transformers coupling $6 wima caps ?
why not a Jantzen Audyn Mundorf Clarity a mid grade $20 cap 
so much better you can Clearly hear the difference , you can spend Big $$ on great resistors and capacitors in critical places truly worth the effort. That is why I 
either buy custom . Or buy a solid amp and have it rebuilt,
for 1/2 of what big names want you have a better design better built product.  After 35+ years I have leaned my many trial and errors !! Modwright made a name for himself modding commercial 
products , now he is asking at least 25% more he should andmaking a Huge profits no middle man  like stores at 45% markup.  Buying custom made the majority of cost goes straight 
to the custom case, and parts . About $1k is for the labor and time to design  to yourspecs  . Still far cheaper ,and Better then 90% 
ofthecommercial products at 2-3x the cost .i have owned most brands and my custom better them by a fair distance . It’s your money.  It’s like buying  a Chevy ,or having a custom Bentlet built 
without the $$ amount  . It takes a month to get from  consultation, payment. Just enjoy the quality of your music listening .