@frogman
I saw Les McCann in a small venue in the mid seventies. He was highly charismatic. I attribute this to his ability to embody both what could be called the sacred and the profane. Earthiness and soaring spirit. the body and the soul.
Of course, one could say this about a host of Black artists who grew up in the church and then utilized their ability to channel a certain type of magnetism into songs that explored the dynamics of sexual relationships in a way that may cause us to question whether the spiritual and the physical are two sides of one coin rather than wildly divergent opposites, as they've been long portrayed by various religious traditions.
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@mahgister
That Yudina performance of Lacrimosa is very intense!!! Perhaps I’m shallow but I don’t find listening to that particularly enjoyable. But then I'm admittedly not an experienced Classical music listener. I'm just reacting to how it feels energetically.
On the other hand, I enjoyed the Sultanov performance and listened to more of them on youtube.
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@mahgister
I enjoyed the Villa Scriabin performances very much. You are starting to make me rethink my opposition to streaming, suggesting these recordings that are not obtainable on physical media! ;o)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjsFTjLNyE
If we take the 4 notes in their 4 possible combinations we get (someone please correct this if I’ve made any mistakes) :
A, C, G, D = R, b3, b7,11 or sus 4 = Am7/11
C, G, D, A = R, 5, 9, 6 = C add 6/9 (no 3rd)
G, D, A, C = R, 5, 9, 11 or sus 4 = G add 9/11 (no 3rd) or G add 9 sus4
D, A, C, G = R, 5, b7, 11 or sus 4 = D7 sus 4
I wonder how these chords played as a progression might affect our DNA...
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@audio-b-dog
I also saw her later in a country music bar in L.A. When I went up to her to tell her how great I thought she was, she brushed me off as if I were trying to pick her up. I wasn’t.
That’s too bad. . . for both of you. I guess it’s indicative of what she had to deal with as a female performer and the less-than-ideal strategies she developed in an attempt to protect herself.
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@audio-b-dog
RE: V. Morrison and "TB SHeets", @grannyring nailed it.
You heard Mother Earth with Tracy Nelson on vocals? Great singer!
Glad you are finding some enjoyable things on the list I sent.
I don’t hear what I would call "rough edges" when it comes to Strength in Numbers, though. They are all virtuosos and technically faultless. Maybe we define "rough" differently. It’s curious that you didn’t like Winifred Horan. Here’s a taste of her regular band, Solas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGcruwhK_es
RE: "The world has been flooded with dross in all the fields of art throughout history", that's true enough but we've never had a forger as capable as AI, before. I don't worry about it creating more bad art -- I worry about it getting to the point of being able to synthesize so much about good art that it can "create" good art that cannot be differentiated from good human-created art. This is new. And I use the term "good" fully aware that it's a gross oversimplification. Perhaps "convincing' would be a better term, in this case.
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@audio-b-dog
Only time will tell, re: AI's art-making potential.
There is, needless to say, plenty of derivative art currently being made by humans.
;o)
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@mahgister
Meaning is an embodied felt symbolic form
In art, this has certainly been my experience. I cannot comment on how this applies in math, science or other left-brain-dominant fields.
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@audio-b-dog
Here’s an AI summary of the creative process as approached by Keith Richards...
- Richards emphasizes that the best ideas often emerge when you’re not actively chasing them but are simply present in the moment, according to rolling stones data. He describes his process as catching "fleeting creative sparks like butterflies drifting through the air". Riffs, melodies, and lyrics reveal themselves naturally, often without conscious effort or planning, and this intuitive process is key to his creativity.
- Listening to the Instrument: Richards often talks about letting the instrument guide the creative process, believing that songs emerge from the guitar itself. He doesn’t believe in overthinking or forcing ideas but rather allows the music to flow through him.
- Openness to Inspiration: He sees himself as an antenna, picking up signals and ideas that are "out there," and simply receives them as they come, according to rolling stones data. This means being constantly aware of his surroundings and receptive to anything that might spark a musical or lyrical idea.
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@audio-b-dog
I don’t know enough about computers to answer that question but I’d like to believe a computer does not possess the "inner antenna " that allows humans to pick up on those "butterflies" Keith speaks of.
In order to manipulate aesthetic forms/media to trigger emotions, doesn’t one have to first possess the capacity for being so moved?
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@audio-b-dog
I don’t see how L & M qualifies as Prog.
Their music did span a range from very radio friendly Pop to something a bit more stylistically adventurous. The latter was displayed in longer tracks that alternated with the 3 minute hits. Like them or not, their musicianship was always excellent.
Here’s a good example of them at their (IMHO) best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnI1-AiFrjU&list=OLAK5uy_m-iUndbrYwZmRJpQ-mBScNV53Vq_eHC1I
This track comes from what I consider their most musically ambitious album; "Mother Lode".
Given J. Messina’s roots in B. Springfield and Poco, I tend to regard him as coming out of Country Rock. I admire guitar players who can say a lot with just a few notes, and he certainly qualifies in this regard.
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@audio-b-dog
I like that cut. I'll stream them. I have a few Poco albums that I play a lot. To be quite honest, I'm not a fan of genres. That's one of the reasons I moved from the Jazz Aficianado group. They seemed to have a exacting conception of "jazz," and I just like what I like. You said you aren't a fan of Freddie Hubbard's "First Light" and "Red Clay," but I don't think you'd say they aren't jazz albums. They're just something that doesn't hit you. I just like what I like and no longer worry about it. I used to want to be cool. Now I'm too old to be cool, and I really don't care.
Well, OK. Not all music is easily categorized into neat boxes but categories can be helpful. If I want to know where a certain artist falls, stylistically, and you say "Hard Bop" , I find that's useful. I compare it to music theory, which is not much use simply as a conceptual framework but as a means of communicating about musical structures between musicians it can be of significant practical value.
You do seem to have a visceral negative response to classifying music by genres.
Yes; Freddie Hubbard's CTI recordings are Jazz.
As a musician, I think you are more aware of the craftsmanship. I can appreciate it, but I don't listen to music to appreciate how good the players are.
I listen for emotional engagement first and foremost. In this regard, someone with relatively little technique may be as "good" as a virtuoso... or even better.
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@audio-b-dog @frogman, @mahgister :
I feel so fortunate to have three music mentors to help me over the hurdle into enjoyment of Classical music. Thanks, guys!
@frogman
I greatly favor the Adams recording. This selection sounds somehow more akin to Jazz to my ear.
Maybe you can suggest more in a similar vein???
@mahgister
I’d heard Beethoven 6th before and found it pleasant ( I utilize this "lukewarm" adjective with some humility, recognizing the fault is mine for not appreciating it as you do). I just listened to Beethoven’s 7th and this I find immediately more engaging. Same goes for the Bruckner. I'm going to explore more Bruckner.
@audio-b-dog
Seems I was wrong -- I do have a capacity for enjoying orchestral music. It all comes down to the piece/performance.
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@audio-b-dog
We can go around and around with this. I’m a writer, too. And while I recognize the value of "authentic detail", what interests me more is what doesn’t change from one generation to the next.
I agree that Spotify is not the best indicator of fidelity. If I like what I hear on Spotify or youtube or No Depression, I will buy the CD. If it turns out to be a poor-sounding disc (irritating to listen to), I’ll add it to my stack of CDs that I take up to Eugene with me each time me I visit my mom, knowing I can get more in trade for them up there than around here. I don’t actually end up buying many CDs that fall into this category, though. It’s more common that my initial positive impressions don’t stand up to the scrutiny of repeated exposure once I’ve got my hands on the disc. In other words, "operator error" comes into play.
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@mahgister
Spiritual transformation not just leisure...
Indeed. And the process of growth is not necessarily a "walk in the park".
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@mahgister
The truth is simply evident : What power mankind will delegate to a.I. mankind will had the consequence that mankind loose his ability to create it again in himself from himself..
Yes. And in the US, at least, this process of "delegation" will be dictated by those who have the most to gain from it, financially.
@audio-b-dog
Thanks for the suggestion. I will check it out.
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