Lenco 75 versus Garrard 301?

a refreshing sentiment in this mad hi fi miniworld

Darkmoebius, I suggest sending an email to Albert regarding his impressions of the Lenco. I'm sure he'll be happy to tell you what he thinks. I'm betting Rich did the same with Frank Schroeder, unless he called him on the phone.

Thanks Jlin,

The revised thread is good enough. I had read the original up to somewhere around May this year, but did not remember Albert's posts.

I need to free up some cash for a new(er) car and was thinking now's the time to take on the Lenco project. Selling off my two Scheu tables and Scheu tonearm would help get me into the next level of car.

Unfortunately, Albert's posts were in the now deleted Audiogon thread. If you check on the Home Despot II thread there is a link to someone who saved the thread but there are over 3500 posts to the entire thread so that's a lot of reading. Since his posts I believe that he has sold his Lenco, as it is not listed in his virtual system.

Could someone please point me to Albert's latest comments about his Lenco versus Walker tables?

I'd like to read those posts.

Thanks.

Lenco 75!!! I use a RB300/Denon 103 MC. It sounds wondfrrful- quiet and clean articulate bass, clean mid and highs. I do not have any experience with the Garrard.

Boy...thanks again to all for your candid and thoughtful comments...keep 'em coming!
BTW, not to cause a controversy I also heard that Frank Schroder used a Garrard 301 as HIS reference TT. Not so....so he told me!!!

Rick (RWD)

Lest anyone think Jlin is demented, I made a post stating that, among other things, an arm such as the Reference was not at all necessary, but it was deleted. No conspiracy, though, it was self-deleted because I wrote before realizing that I'd rather delete the post than initate a fire-storm of argument that a couple of my assertions may have started.

Re: the Schroeder reference and 4yanx's comments, I haven't even laid eyes on one, let alone heard one, but it IS worth noting that Schroeder uses a Garrard 301 as his reference table so in fact it should work extremely well with the Garrard or the Lenco. Having said that, I agree with 4yanx that arms of that cost are not necessary to get great sound from these tables. My replinthed Lenco 75 with OL Rega RB-250 and Shure V15VxMR sounds better than my Linn LP12 with DIY crystal controlled power supply and identical arm/cartridge, and I preferred the OL arm to the Ittok that the Linn originally came with.

As noted in another post, Albert Porter raved about the sound of his replinthed Lenco and Decca arm (a real budget item but reportedly very musical) compared to his 50 times more expensive Walker turntable/arm and high end cartridge.

Personally, I prefer the L78 if one is going to retain the original speed control handle and/or on/off switch handle, and platter mat. Otherwise they are the same, except for the auto return feature, which I dispense with, anyway.

I am one of a growing few who have both a restored 301 and restored Lenco. I am with GD in favor of the Lenco for first-time or less than confident restorers since, as he says, it is cheaper and easier to "sort out". If you have confidence in your restoration abilities or are having someone experienced do the work, I might choose the 301, especially the early hammered finished ones. I really prefer the look of them, though you CAN paint the Lenco top plates almost any color (which we have done to great success). Performance-wise, I prefer my 301 by a shade, but it very well could be the combination of arm and cartridge that make the difference, which is slight. Objectively, there is probably not enough of a difference for most and in most systems. YMMV

In the case of either table, the effort required to restore the mechanicals and build a proper plinth which can, at the same time, look great within your decor (if this is important), is not as slam-bang as some might have one believe. Don't get me wrong, it is not rocket-science, either, and to get decent results one needn't be a mechanical expert or own a wood shop. Things can be disassembled, cleaned, lubed and re-assembled without a ton of experience and without special tools. Too, a decent plinth can be formed which will suit many. However, if one runs into mechanical difficulties or has speed, hum, or noise problems or if someone wants a “furniture grade” plinth, there is a lot more skill, time, and expense involved than one might assume going into a project.

I can say that the effort spent on both the 301 or the Lenco will yield great results, whether done by one’s self or by someone else. I could go on, but why bore people? ;-)

Gil...thanks for the advice....that's were I'm leaning!

Rwl, jean on the lenco thread found them similar when set up perfectly, i found my lenco superior to my garrard 401 in every way. considering the new lenco thread and what people like albert porter reported (that in a less than fully modified form its close to his $50,000 Walker, and superior in some ways) i'd go for the lenco, because its cheaper, easier to service and sort out, and for the shere amaxement factor that this cheap old deck is superior to almost anything out there.

Thanks Mark! I am doing my homework now trying to decide on either one of these TT or on one of the new newer belt drives. I know this subject has been kicked around for quite some time. Anyway, the Schroder Ref is a long way off. Things, I hear, arn not great as far as the wiat time. So it looks like a Tri-Planer arm for me (not a bad idea..hey?).

Rick,I knew,before getting to the question,that this was your post.You must be getting close to a decision.....Simple!Take either one,fully maxxed out,and with a solid,massive plinth.Put a Schroeder Ref on it,and you can say goodbye to posting,for a long time!You'll be listening to music,instead.But you knew this already.
Best!