LAMM M1.2 - Feedback - Advice - Please - anyone heard these?


Folks - anyone that can share anything about LAMM or specifically the M1.2 would be greatly appreciated. 
Looking for thoughts on these or LAMM in general. I have never owner this brand and want some advise / feedback and to learn more from actual people / other members.
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If you want to know why and what my thinking then please read on.

Thanks so much for anything you can share. 
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So here’s what I am up against. 
I want / need that tube goodness in my sound but must also have that SS grip, bass control, transparency and image precision.


Have been looking and trying for the right amp and/or Pre combo mix.
SS alone doesn’t get me there - need that tubeness that only tubes can offer but I only want a little or just enough of that tube goodness.

What I also need just as much or even more is that SS transparency and their hold and tightness and precision. My speakers are not hard to drive but still tube amps are too loose - too wide and soft. Not enough specificity and SS is missing something as well. That natural, real closeness only tubes offer. I need the right blend. 
If I was to guess the sound would be say 83% SS and 17% tubes. Transparency, grip, precision and control is so important to me but then bathed in just the right amount of enough tubeness to just hit the nail right on the head. Yes it’s a tough and picky ask. 

The tube sounding SS gear Pass and Soulution doesn’t get me there. 
SS amps and Tube preamp have not got me there. Each time I tried a different combo I ended up liking my DAC direct over the tube preamp and that of course was not getting me. 
My speakers are pretty easy to drive Focal Sopra 2. I love these. They are bright, tight and raw. Their brightness needs to be tamed with a musical and warmish sounding source and warmish sounding sounding amp/Pre combo. 
My source is a Bricasti M1SE DAC / built in Roon End Point Ethernet Streamer and Preamp all in one. I love the Sopra 2 because they act like monitors with bass. They have the transparency and precision like a monitor. I liked better then Sopra 3 that is more like an excellent floorstander then imitating a monitor with bass. I like Sopra 2 better then my former Magico S5 MKII I had before also. I’ve learned over time what I like and what is most important to me. Extension, speed, transparency, image and sound precision and I don’t need all world bass slam but enough decent bass to do the music justice. Monitor can’t do this without subs but I also need coherence which is so important to the precision and transparency. That is why subs don’t work for me and Sopra 3 or S5 MKII didn’t work also. The Sopra 2 is a monitor lovers dream with monitor like everything but better dynamics and bass but I regress.  With all of this said I’m thinking maybe this LAMM M1.2 can pull off what I’m hoping for and if anyone has any info or similar situation would love some advise, feedback or comments. 
Thanks for the time and help !!!!! 
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Explain yourself- where on this thread did this occur? It does not appear to be in the one prior post I made, so this statement appears to be false.


The Lamm I heard was driving a set of Apogee Duetta Signatures in good condition. It was at a friend's house (Paul Bolin) who was also a reviewer. The amp was on loan from Lamm, so I have to assume it was working correctly. I heard it in comparison to an all tube amplifier that made about 200 watts- it was clearly brighter than that.  Now the Lamm uses a 6DJ8 at its input. This tube can be really variable in sound, being prone to microphonic effects (all frame grid triodes seem to share this quality) so it may well be that with careful selection, the amp I heard could have been toned down. When I've heard the amp at shows, I've heard the same brightness, but I concede that what you hear at shows may well be irrelevant. An additional caveat is that this occurred several years ago and the amp Paul had may no longer be representative.



I want / need that tube goodness in my sound but must also have that SS grip, bass control, transparency and image precision.
The Lamm IMO/IME has a classic solid state sound in that its bright and has a touch of solid state harshness. If your speakers are bright (I've not heard them) then I would expect the combo to drive me out of the room. I've not owned the Lamm but a friend of mine in town had them so I've heard them many times.


The Focal website isn't all that great so its a bit tricky sorting out the speaker, but it appears that while they claim '8 ohms' the woofer array is actually 4 ohms. This type of speaker isn't friendly to tube amplifiers! To run a tube amp you would need to use the 4 ohm tap which puts the amp at a disadvantage. So you're going to have to find something solid state. I get why you want that tube input stage of the Lamm- maybe that would tone things down a bit....

But here's what is going on. The Lamm, like most solid state amps, uses feedback, but in insufficient amount so the distortion generated by the feedback itself causes the amp to sound bight and harsh. You need an amp that can behave as a voltage source though, so IMO you'll need an amp with a lot more feedback, enough so that the amp can clean up the distortion caused by its feedback. This value tends to be north of 35dB (or maybe 40dB). That's a lot of feedback and there are not that many traditional solid state designs where that's going on. But two are the Benchmark and the Soulution (the latter of which you've expressed a dislike). But if you want to know why these amps will sound smoother than the Lamm its because they have so much more feedback. Quite literally, they are sounding more 'tube like' because they are lower distortion. (And in particular the higher ordered harmonics; the ear is keenly sensitive to these because it uses them to sense sound pressure, and the ear has a range over 120dB! The ear assigns a tonality to all forms of distortion; the higher orders are heard as 'brightness' and 'harshness' despite the frequency response being perfectly flat.)


Your other option is to find a class D amp that you like. Class D amps usually have a very low output impedance so will drive this speaker well. There are very big sonic differences between class D amps, so just because you've heard one does not mean you've heard them all. The differences between them are as profound as they are for any other kind of amp, like tube amps or transistor amps. But the things that cause distortion in class D amps tend to result in lower ordered harmonic distortion rather than higher ordered (as in traditional solid state) so what you're looking for is one that sounds smooth but has the impact you're looking for in the bass at the same time. They do exist.