KT88 vs 6550 vs ? for warm midrange - using Cronos Mag lll

12AU7 is probably used as a driver tube, which means it adds no gain and probably has little effect on SQ.  However, in my experience, there is no such thing as a good sounding 12AU7.  I replace them with 12FQ7 or 6FQ7 (depending on the available filament voltage), which sound noticeably better. If you're swapping power tubes willy nilly, then you need to be aware of how the amplifier can run one tube vs another.  If the plate voltage, grid bias, etc, are inappropriate for one tube vs another, then that is going to affect how you judge the tube. Ideally you would want to reconfigure the amplifier to run the power tube under conditions that optimize its performance, before you judge the tube. That usually can be done merely by changing a few resistors after taking measurements of voltages.

lewm:

Yes, two 12au7’s are used to drive the power tubes and the  two 12ax7’s are phase splitters (I think?).

The 3rd 12au7 would be the one to roll to something warmer/fuller sounding like Mullard or Amperex (just avoid later Amperex 12au7’s with a dimpled disc getter).

So, one or two 12au7 tubes to roll (Amperex,/Mullard/RCA?) as an experiment as opposed to quads of power tubes.

DeKay

Okay - I'm looking at changing the 12ax7's - suggestions ? 

will leave the power tubes alone for now .

I agree the way the Cronos is set up it's an uphill battle to try and get the EL34 sound 

All modern-ish Rogue tube amps use a 12AU7 tube as driver per push-pull pair of KT tubes. The Apollo and Zeus used a pair of 12AU7 to drive fully three push-pull pairs of KT. I agree with the asssement that 12AU7 is not a great tube. I definitely prefer push-pull amps that use 6SN7 drivers, or really anything else. 

But due to the fact it’s perhaps a bit "under-powered" in this driver role, it does make a noticeable difference to tube roll these slots. Similar-type subs are a good choice for most effect. 12BH7 is a sub I’ve used many times - it’s much more dynamic, detailed, and punchy than a 12AU7, though to be fair the Rogue amps were already strong there. The 12AU7 will give a more "homogenous" sound - maybe preferable to some ears and systems. I didn’t try other type subs. Note a 12BH7 eats up more heater curent - 0.6A per sub versus 0.3A - but when each KT tube is sucking down 1.5A - 1.8A, the extra A’s from a couple 12BH7 are unlikely to cause issue. Rogue (Mark) used to bless this sub, though they might have clammed up on this more recently. I used it for years with no issue.

The extra center 12AU7 on Cronus is an input / gain slot. Good to roll there. 12BH7’s tends to be noise and microphonic so it’s best to keep them at the downstream driver slots.

If you do try 12BH7 - Sylvanias and Tung-Sols are very clean, detailed, and punchy (Tung-Sols tending a bit more toward bright); RCA’s are warmer and richer. 

No, leave the GE 12ax7's as they should be good and long lasting.

The single (center?) 12au7 is the one I would experiment with as it should have the most affect on sound  and then perhaps experiment with the 2 12au7 drivers if not satisfied.

I do not have a problem with 12au7 tubes and have been using them in gain positions for 20+ years in my preamp and in vintage power and integrated amps.

I've yet to listen to an amp using 6SN7's that I've cared for and the same goes for Audio Research and BAT amps using the "super" tube - so each to their own.

Look for a single well testing Mullard, Amperex or RCA 12au7 with balanced sections (it need not be a super duper expensive version or be NOS - just avoid the later dimpled disc getter Amperex as I previously noted).

DeKay