If you have the space, forget Klipsch and try the Spatial Audio M5 Sapphire. Even their predecessors, the M4 Turbos, were far more refined than any Klipsch speaker I've heard. If you want Klipsch dynamics without sacrificing refinement, that's the route to go. This is coming from a Heresy III owner. |
(BTW, I also dampened the horns and did A/B comparison with mono source and heard no appreciable difference - just be sure the horns have there gaskets and are screwed tight to the baffle.) Same here. Spent a whole day damping the horns of my Heresys with bitumous pads. Fired them up and they were as colored as ever. I've intended to remove the material as I actually find myself enjoying them less after that mod. For anyone that can afford the space necessary for Spatial's open-baffles, there is absolutely no good reason in buying a Klipsch speaker, especially at their current price points. I only keep my H-IIIs around because they can still sound good when placed close to walls and are stealthy in terms of the room decor. But if I listen to them following a session with my Spendors or Maggies, their coloration/resonance is almost too much to bear. |
@mrdecibel " there is absolutely no good reason in buying a Klipsch speaker "....from the guy who thought, and probably still does ( and not so long ago ), that original Advents were the best there was, regardless of cost....I take what Helo says, with a single grain of salt.....however, he is, as all are, entitled to opinions. Enjoy ! MrD. Please show me where I said Original Advents are/were the best there was/is, regardless of cost. I've never once made such a statement on Audiogon or anywhere else. I have, however, stated that in an A/B comparison with $3K Vandersteen 2CE Sig IIs, I preferred my NEW LARGE ADVENTS. Please don't misquote me. Further, it was you who influenced me to perform the Heresy III damping mods, which resulted in zero net improvement - a fantastic waste of time and money. So maybe it is your words that should be taken with salt. Lastly, have a listen to a pair of speakers with an truly exceptional, clean midrange, something like the Spendor A4, a Stirling Broadcast, or an ATC monitor, and you'll realize the Klipsch Heritage line needs more than some damping material to do away with inherent design weaknesses. They're certainly not the worst speakers out there. I still listen to mine, but over the last couple years I've found much better value elsewhere. I'm inclined to share my honest opinions and experiences so that others may achieve better sound for their hard-earned dollars. Unlike some here, my statements are not born out of brand fanaticism. |
I’ve heard all of the speakers helomech mentions...a couple of ’em extensively, and I still maintain that Heresy IIIs have mids that utterly give up nothing to those brands, and in fact I’ll argue that in terms of lifelike tonal qualities and realism LMAO! Uh, no apparently you haven’t, or your auditory memory failed you miserably in those assessments. Compare a Stirling Broadcast LS3/6, Maggie 0.7, KEF LS50, Vandy 1Ci, or Spatial M4 Turbo S (list goes on) back-to-back with H-IIIs and you’ll realize how colored the Heresy midrange really is. While I agree with Mr. Decibel that there are resonance problems with the horns and cabinets, adding constrained-layer bituminous pads (Dynamat) does little to remedy it IME. I thought I detected some improvement at first (the all too common placebo effect), but careful A/B comparisons with my other speakers revealed that any improvement was minute. The midrange is still polluted with resonances. I’ll agree with you that Heresy IIIs manage to create that "live" sensation quite well, but I think that’s only because most live performances are amplified through horn-loaded PA speakers. The ironic thing here is I have no horse in this race. Like you, I enjoy H-IIIs, but unlike you, I don’t consider them end-game speakers, nor do I consider them a great value at MSRP, especially after their recent price hike. If anything, I should be extolling the virtues of H-IIIs in hopes of getting a good price when I eventually sell my pair. But alas, in the interest of the greater good of the hobby, I prefer honesty in sharing my assessments. Again, I never said the H-III is a bad speaker. I consider them great speakers in the context of what they do well, and the price they can be bought for secondhand. Helo, I appreciate your response. Unlike you, I do accept, and appreciate, that not everyone listens the same, uses the same " references " when listening to recorded music, and that each individual, determines what it is that " they are after ", in a sound system. I am happy for you, that you have found a loudspeaker you are happy with....It is about time, after the merry go round you have been on. You are not alone, on this merry go round. I have heard some EP speakers in my past, and " I " do not like the design, for " what I want ". I am also in a home, without connecting walls, to neighbors, and have a room that is acoustically pretty nice. This is important to me, to have a nice room, as much as the equipment, otherwise, headphone listening is the way to go. I appreciate that my system, and the environment, can easily reach musical peaks above 100 db, as this is critical, to me, for realistic music interpretations, of what is on my recordings, so I may connect with the emotional content of the composers, and the players, on every genre of recording I am playing. I do not listen seriously at 75 db peaks, although I could. And the room does not get in the way of this. I have been around live, unamplified music, much of my life, and horn speakers, all of my life. Live, unamplified music, is what I use to judge systems by. Nothing like it, and I have come to a realization, that nothing will. Recordings are the limiting factor. However, my buddies and I can plug in a mixer, with mics and guitars, and use my Lascalas for this purpose. I have owned many models of design, by many manufacturers, and have set up more systems, than you will ever know. This has lead me, to simply know what I like. Am I wrong ?.....If you think so, you are the one that is wrong. And yes, it you go back to your recent Advent experience, you were pretty adamant about this pair of speakers being the holy grail. And saying they were " superior " to a new set of Vandy 2s ". Actually, they are not, but " you " thought so. You also claimed they were better than some Monitor Audios you had, and others I do not recollect. So when you wake up, realizing that people differ from you, in the " sounds " and musical experiences they are looking for, I will listen to your words. But, as long as you make comments such that you do, I will simply see you as a " nose up in the air ", pompous, and pretend know it all, because what you think you know, you really don’t. Have a nice day. There is no further need to communicate with me. MrD. Mr. D, I’m sorry that both your reading comprehension and hearing ability have begun to fail you, but I understand that’s a common issue in old age. |
