Just retired and want to get back to vinyl listening


I'm reeducating myself.... after years of no TT and focusing on just stereo listening.. I had a some early Klipsch Hersey’s and some GENESIS speakers pair with Yamaha receiver and low end turntable 30-40 years ago -- I can afford a higher end setup this days -- so what are thoughts on pairing a luxman l-550axII with Klipsch cornwalls?

I like the Herseys for music in the day.. cornwalls seem to be larger herseys but may well need audtion some of the tower types folks seem to tout..

I still thinking on TT -- but may get a VPI scout or prime -- thinking through the cartridge choices and other things is still a serious education -- recc?

music taster are varied -- jazz to singer vocalist miles davis - linda Ronstadt and a host of others for vocal musics and instruments- soft rock of the 70-80s- to some classical

thoughts -- looking to 15-20K for the refit for stereo listening - but could stretch some if I like the setup

steventoney

Showing 3 responses by whart

I’m going to make a few radical observations that are borne out of the many threads of this type on this forum and others:
First, the equipment suggestions are invariably a reflection of how the person making the recommendations would spend your money, allocate budget, prioritize one component over another and what that person might want out of a system. I wouldn’t dare argue with anyone’s choice. But, what do YOU want? The only way to know is to listen. That means seat time at a dealer or four (don’t know what your locale has to offer); friends or colleagues that can let you hear their systems; travel to other places to hear systems, etc.
Second, the amp and speaker have a symbiotic relationship and are often chosen together. That isn’t to say you can’t buy an all purpose amp or speaker, but the two are interconnected in ways that go beyond the literal; and from that, the type of amp (tube/solid state), power and to some degree, price and budget allocation are intertwined.
Used is good if from a reputable source, particularly someone who is a dealer who will stand behind the product along with the manufacturer-not someone who is blowing the product line out because they lost the franchise or switched to another brand to feature;
A good dealer should be a quiet guide to let you make choices, not someone pitching you. There are some good dealers but no one of them will carry all the brands you might consider. It is possible to put together a very good system from more than one dealer.
Shopping dealers to go out to buy from individual sellers is an ethical sore point- while I’ve had some bad experiences with dealers over the years, a good dealer should be treasured- for help, tech support, trade-ins, and price breaks.
Two final observations; one about gear and one about "vinyl."
Gear: I have two systems. One is ’high end’ vinyl only system; the other is a vintage system (based on old Quad ESLs and matching amps). I get as much joy from one as the other. This isn’t about the money, it’s about putting together a "system" that works together synergistically and draws on the strengths of the gear to present music in a way that you as the owner like.
Records: vinyl is a b-----. I say this as someone as dedicated to the medium as anyone. Unless you are planning on buying new audiophile reissues of classic warhorses, you are going to wind up in a world cluttered with shitty pressings and/or used records, where the grade "very good" means precisely the opposite. Not trying to discourage you- record hunting is fun particularly if your taste isn’t limited to the latest "audiophile" picks, but it’s a whole other world of things to know and learn: preferred pressings of older records; sources to acquire stuff beyond the usual, trusted sellers that won’t charge you top dollar for a valued copy.
The primary point of my missive is that you have to educate yourself, no matter how well meaning others’ advice is. And that means seat time, listening to some different kinds of speakers, amps, etc. I could go on, but I think it is unnecessary. (PS: I can appreciate a friend’s system that is entirely different from my "big" system, and really enjoy it. It is just different, but well chosen, thoughtfully put together to achieve a certain objective for that owner).
After all, you are the one paying for it and listening to it. Choose wisely based on experience you should gain before you spend.
And congrats on retirement.
bill hart


@greginnh - I think you make a point--"everything sounds great until you hear something better" that is worth underscoring, whatever the budget.  If someone hasn't been around the audio scene in a while, they may not appreciate how far we have come in a number of areas (though I'm a big advocate of vintage stuff too).  That can help establish a benchmark for what a good system is capable of reproducing. Granted, our sonic "memories" are short, but there is value in hearing what a top system is able to do and why it is regarded as such. I would think a reputable dealer, if approached honestly about this (with an appointment arranged in advance) ought to be willing to let a prospective buyer at X budget hear what that dealer's "top system" is capable of, if only to show that the dealer is able to assemble a system at lesser cost which has some of the virtues the buyer prizes--
@inna - the inability to compare all prospective brands at one shop is a real concern that I mentioned in my post. At the level of the gear you are talking about--very expensive stuff- I would ask dealer A to work with dealer B to allow a comparison within one of their shops. Not sure if this would work-- home trial is best, of course, but apart from specialty dealers selling top dollar stuff and places like Music Direct that offer a no questions asked return policy, that may be the only way, apart from having a friend or colleague drag their own piece of equipment over. 
I know I'm pushing the 'use a dealer' theme, but that's where they pay off- I had one dealer back East who had no problem bringing pieces to my home (sometimes, with the manufacturer) for home trial. And, I didn't always cut a check. 
The limited opportunity to make real comparisons is not confined to new or returning to the fold audiophiles-- we all suffer from it to a degree--which, I think, explains some of the turnover in gear. 
A friend with a killer system and a few connections also isn't a bad thing to have. I know a couple of different hot beds of enthusiasts in different parts of the country who are constantly trying out new and different stuff. One can benefit from their reach and participate in the listening sessions if the opportunity presents itself. 
An effective cleaning regimen is also essential, particularly if you dive into used records. There are a million and one ways, different machines, methods, etc. I've had the best success combining traditional vacuum type with ultrasonic. The latter you can DIY at fairly low cost.