Just retired and want to get back to vinyl listening


I'm reeducating myself.... after years of no TT and focusing on just stereo listening.. I had a some early Klipsch Hersey’s and some GENESIS speakers pair with Yamaha receiver and low end turntable 30-40 years ago -- I can afford a higher end setup this days -- so what are thoughts on pairing a luxman l-550axII with Klipsch cornwalls?

I like the Herseys for music in the day.. cornwalls seem to be larger herseys but may well need audtion some of the tower types folks seem to tout..

I still thinking on TT -- but may get a VPI scout or prime -- thinking through the cartridge choices and other things is still a serious education -- recc?

music taster are varied -- jazz to singer vocalist miles davis - linda Ronstadt and a host of others for vocal musics and instruments- soft rock of the 70-80s- to some classical

thoughts -- looking to 15-20K for the refit for stereo listening - but could stretch some if I like the setup

steventoney

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Well, as always choose speakers first. The rest is relatively easy. And decide whether you will accept only new equipment or some used would do. And..tubes or transistors or it depends. It does take time and effort to get it right.
Yes, with patience and good ear a lot can be accomplished for $20k even with new equipment, and with used you could have $40k-$50k very high level system, far beyond Klipsh and Luxman, I would guess.
It appears, though I may be wrong, that you want to do amp first approach not speakers first approach. This can be done but I think is more complicated and might limit your speakers choices. 
If you consider Luxman you got to consider Accuphase as well. Do not buy the former before you have heard both.
Not really. I just know that many choose Accuphase after listening to both. Could be more expensive. And you would want to audition the phono sections too. I understand, you want your integrated to last a long time before you upgrade.
But that's "Japanese" sound, there are other kinds of sound. Why not get aquainted with them all if possible? You can't really be sure what you will like most.
Not to start it again but what terry9 said about cables was simply not true. You do need to spend a lot more especially if buying new and they can be the most cost effective upgrades. This includes power cords. I just didn't want the man to be misinformed or I would not have said it. Cables are components, signal transmission is very important.
My first move with cables and power cords would be in the direction of Audio Art. I am a big Purist Audio cables fan but out of curiosity recently tried their $100 Classic RCA cable. Very good and great for the price. I would get their SE with Xhadow or XLR connectors cables, speaker cables and power cords. Break-in time is at least 150 hours but they can do it for you for additional fees. They offer 30 days return so no risk. Accuphase makes their own cables, I think, at least interconnects. I would stay with one brand cables at this already high performance level. If you discover that Audio Art is not enough or just wrong choice, consider Purist Audio and Stage III cables. Some say that Furutech is excellent too, maybe, I don't know.
Other integrateds you might want to consider.
transistor:
Gryphon Diablo 120 ( $13200 with great phono ).
Pass INT-60 ( $9k, not sure about phono ).
tube:
VAC 160 Sigma SE ( $13k ? ).
Octave - SE edition models. ( $5k - $13k ? ).

Gryphon will be the most dynamic and versatile.

Are you people saying that this Luxman would overall be better than Pass INT-60, phono aside ? I am not familiar with Luxman.
Another theoretical possibility is JM Focal Utopia. It will require tube amplification and well matched cables or it will sound bright.
Something like this or higher:
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-jm-labs-utopia-alto-be-2017-09-06-speakers
Rogue and Yamaha won't do - the man is aiming at higher performance level.
This is a long shot because they are probably too expensive but take a look at Classic Audio speakers. They should do well, I suppose, with Luxman/Accuphase class A amps. I don't know where to audition them, though.
Bill,
As always, good post, encouraging even inspirational but with a warning.
As for the best pressings, I think some of us could help here.
Yeah, taking dealers' time with little possibility of buying from them doesn't feel good. However, how else to try and compare many brands? Say, I would like to compare Lamm and Ypsilon or Gryphon and FM Acoustics. Virtually zero chance to do it at one dealer.
It appears that no-one directly compared Luxman, Accuphase and Pass. Until that's done I don't see how one can choose. This would be a guess that might not turn out to be a lucky one. External phono stage that would almost certainly outperform both Luxman's and Accuphase's phono modules would not be too expensive even new, probably around $2k. Sutherland 20/20 comes to mind first.
Personally, when choosing a brand I try to get the feel of the designer before any other considerations. Pass and Rasmussen of Gryphon sound good to me. Dimitros of Ypsilon too but that's out of the range.
He probably have not heard many or his hearing is bizarre at best or he is grossly exaggerating. No wonder I never considered VPI. This is BS.
I wouldn't mind paying for audition of what I want to audition, either in-home or not. Dealers are not mules, why should they work for free? When you consult with other professionals you always pay, I see no reason why it should be different in high-end audio field. The fees must be reasonable and refundable if you buy, that's for sure. This situation would improve dealer-customer relations and decrease the probability of buing wrong equipment.
Two dealers cooperating to let you compare is a great idea even if it doesn't sound very realistic for most cases.
No, don't go to RMAF - you may like too much what you cannot and never will be able to afford.
I still suggest choosing speakers first after visiting dealers. It appears that the OP wants to recreate vintage system at a much higher level, this both simplifies and complicates things.

He forgot to add - The best turntables in the world are VPIs -. How would it sound to you?
Anyway, I don't give a damn about what he says. And no, I have not heard those speakers, I don't listen to speakers in this price range if I can help it, only cables in this price range.
$500 Okki Nokki machine with Audio Intelligent three step fluid system and three Disc Doctor brushes works just fine. The key is to soak with fluid one and two before vacuuming off regardless of how vinyl looks. I usually soak for about 10 minutes with each, sometimes twice. And the last step is double water rinse, double water. Very time consuming.
Was there anything that you did not like in what you heard? At this level just about everything should sound quite good if the equipment is burnt-in and reasonably well matched. Negatives might help you more to choose.
Ralph, please.. you sometimes damage your reputation without apparently knowing it.
I think, Ralph understood exactly what I meant, it doesn't matter what he said in response.
Anyway, if someone considers Audio Note speakers the first logical move is to audition them with Audio Note amps and then maybe try other amps.
Dealers often push particular brands and models for a few reasons one being profit margin. Some of them are also very good at brainwashing.
Well, my speakers are much better with smaller scale acoustic music, including vocal, than with anything else. Not bad for jazzrock, though, and electric guitar anywhere. Not good with large scale music. Does it mean that the speakers are bad ? It's a matter of perspective, I don't think so. I assume that only extremes, either junk or reference level, speakers perform more or less equaly with any kind of music. Think JM Labs Focal Grand Utopia, top of the line or close to it Kharma, Tidal, MBL etc. So, ideally yes, in reality no or not quite. Electronics is another thing, there should be no difference. And cartridges - I don't know, I didn't notice much difference when excluding the speakers and listening thru the headphones, still slightly better with acoustic music, but so are my headphones !
$10k electronics/$500 speakers is definitely better than the other way around. I think, if everything was bought new today I have a $15k/$3k situation including all cables and cords. Not as extreme and not stand mount speakers.
Some people do give good advice, it is not all or nothing.
I think, all the equipment that you consider will give you a good sound. Whether you go with tubes or solid state is a dilemma, hard to decide when you can't compare side by side. If you need a stand alone phono stage, as a general recommendation I suggest tube phono with both tube and solid state integrated. Should be electrically and musically matched, of course. You don't want to save $1k on a phono stage, believe me, or your vinyl endeavour will fail. Phono stage is very very important. Though not familiar with it, it gets an excellent rating here among some members - Allnic 1201, the least expensive Allnic. You can get it from Albert Porter, a member and dealer, for about $2.7 new. Since you like Audio Note/DeVore sound this should be an excellent choice. There is also Manley Chinook for $2.4k new. It is different.
Another point. Good sound doesn't start with the equipment, it starts with the wall current. When you rent an appartment you will see that the current is very dirty and possibly the voltage is very unstable. I live in an apartment too, and without my PS Audio Power Plant Premier regenerator the system is unlistenable most of the time. There are now P5 and P10 regenerators that you might want to consider. The retail price is relatively high but you can get them for less.
Also, to a degree the regenerator will work as a motor controller for your turntable motor.
By the way, 62 pounds is not a problem for good MDF. Salamander is rated at 125 pounds per shelf, I think.
Steven, I might have an expensive taste but I don't have a lot of funds and do my best not to waist them. But sometimes you just have to pay the price or not buy right now and wait.
Here is Audio Note integrated with phono. I know nothing about it but perhaps somebody does. If you choose Audio Note speakers and want to try tubes this may be one of the possibilities.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/tube-signature-2017-09-21-integrateds