PS Audio S300 is not fully balanced. "Bridged" output might suggest that, but it isn't a bridge of two amps but 4 Mosfet bridge to flip speaker direction between V+ and GND, since output is single voltage supplied. Some class D modules, like Hypex, use dual +/- supply and only 2 output Mosfets. S300 is based on 300AS1 Icepower module, almost identical to 200ASC (in my Rowland 102), but with stronger output Mosfets. Both my amps Benchmark AHB2 and Rowland 102 don't have RCA inputs.
The most important thing is what you can hear. Some features of XLR, like higher noise rejection or locking connectors with female input side (pins recessed - not exposed) might be very important in a large studio - not so much at home.
PS: Both speaker terminals have about 30V DC (half of supply) on them - do not short either to GND.
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@cleeds It is amplifier with balanced input and not the "Fully Balanced Amplifier". "Fully Balanced Amplifier" term refers to amplifier consisting of balanced input followed by two separate amplifiers - each driving one terminal of the speaker. |
@cleeds I don't see anything in specs showing fully balanced operation. |
@cleeds Input stage can be either "balanced" or "true balanced". "True" refers to inputs that are not referenced to GND, like in instrumentation amp or transformer. |
@invalid S300 output is supplied from single supply only. To achieve net zero output at 50% duty cycle speaker is "flipped" between V+ and GND by bridge of 4 Mosfet transistors. Some modules achieve it with dual +/- supply and only 2 Mosfets. To me it is more "bridged" than "balanced", but it doesn't matter, as long as we know what it is. |
@cleeds He talks about benefits of balanced cables and differential inputs. It has nothing to do with "Fully balanced power amplifier" vs power amplifier with balanced differential inputs. I will leave it at that. |
@atmasphere "Fully Balanced Amplifier" is in my opinion an amplifier that consists of true balanced input stage, like transformer or instrumentation amp, followed by two amplifiers - each for one leg/phase of the signal. Speaker is connected between outputs of both amplifiers. |
@atmasphere Fully Balanced, in my opinion, would require two output stages - in your case two Push-Pull stages, which probably wouldn't make much sense. |
@atmasphere Perhaps my definition is too restrictive, but IMHO amp with one of speaker terminals at GND is not "Fully Balanced" Do you agree it is "Fully Balanced"? |
@atmasphere I replaced second "S300" with "such amplifier" to make it general. To me something that is "Fully Balanced" has all stages, including output stage, balanced. One criteria of balanced output is lack of GND return current. |
@atmasphere Amplifier in question PS Audio S300 has only balanced input with single ended stages following. I don’t believe that adding, for instance input transformer, makes any amplifier "Fully Balanced". In my opinion such amp is an amplifier with true balanced input. |
@atmasphere Tube design is your domain so it is not wise for me to argue, but grounding tap of transformer’s secondary won’t make current return to GND. Transformer output is balanced, but stage driving primary might be not with one transformer tap returning current to GND. I’m sure we can find many exotic configurations that could qualify as Fully Balanced, but PS Audio amp, that started all this, is not. It is single ended class D amp with differential input stage. Something should differentiate between this and fully balanced design, like one in the schematic I referred to. To me it is word "Fully" suggesting, all stages are balanced. |
@atmasphere I agree, "Fully Balanced" design doesn't have to be better - net result is what counts. There are many imprecise popular or marketing terms in use, why to argue. I noticed that many great companies still use erroneous "watts RMS" and wonder if it is on purpose. They likely know it should be just watts or watts average, but that is what most customers think of (product of RMS voltage has to be RMS power) - cannot blame them. |