It appears to me; "There are certain things we are not supposed to know, and we don't care if you rent a sky writer and paste every detail across the sky, we still won't know it because we're not supposed to know it".
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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heroin is cheaper than marijuana.***** So what? Are you saying if the price keeps dropping, you will start using it. A price too good to pass up? We all know the dangers of drug use, ignorance is no longer an excuse. Stupid people take drugs. That's why they call it 'dope'. (from a drug ad) BTW, there are many countries with no drug problem. They don't lock them up and throw the key away. They put them up against a wall and blow them away. Stop drinking the Kool Aid. Esp that purple stuff. Cheers |
For the record, again, A huge part of my listening is to older Jazz, and I do not care if another individual wants to listen to the " Golden Years of Jazz" all the time, or chase after new music. Other than I can't purchase your used music at the Record Store, if you never buy it, it has absolutely no effect on my life, and if you are happy, Great! If it suits you, It tickles me plum to death. The only time, as I recall, we have had a problem is when "people" who love the "Golden Years" talk about how the new music and musicians suck, because they are different sounding from the great Jazz musicians of the past. |
Alex, as always, very thoughtful post. We are in agreement. The "establishment" usually has a hand in everything; and there will always be many many "everythings" that a person has to contend with. My point is that by focusing on personal responsibility and not on dependence on the establishment is the way for the individual to have the best chance of avoiding the problem. There is a conspiratorial-thinking idea among very conservative groups in this country that feels that the "establishment" has an agenda in the recent move towards the legalization of marijuana in order to keep the populace stoned and incapable of clear thinking. Whether it is true or not is not as important as the fact that by being (and raising) the type of person that will not fall prey to it is the best antidote. Regards. |
Tina Brooks is stated as sideman on three Kenny Burrell's albums, among those, I would certainly recommend this one... I am sure that Orpheus will love the parts where Timmons is playing https://youtu.be/1RJAvhfo4Ws Frogman, speaking of drug abuse, the answer is never simple, but I am sure that when there is 'epidemic' spread, than it must be conected to the establishment. I am not refering to the sources from popular culture, as now often we can see a main stream movie that speaks about conections between 'state' and crime in some period when 'black' funding was od special interest to some services because of some 'higher' goal. My experience is rather from first hand, 25 years ago, when my country was in armed conflict (war, bloody, but on limited scale) with its neighbours. In those times, heroin abuse spread like flew. No way in hell that it could be 'accident' or caused by rather gloomy prospects of future of some folks. Even more, my home town, which was never part of actual conflict, had a highest rate of users in a country. I think that first rule of bussines is that you must create a demand, and than you can sell the product. It took couple of years until the rave or techno ( the only good thing about it) music has become a major trend, than heroin became a drug that was considered 'out of fashion' and was replaced with other synthethic drugs, like ectasy, but not before it killed (one way or another) quite a lot young people. So, like Rok said, the only way is to prevention, but when somebody flows the streets with cheap and powerfull stuff, there are lots of people that will hook on it. What puzzles me, (reading about it, in US) is that story about heroin and its effects is known and notorius, and yet, still there are people who will risk their lifes by tasting it. Its not my intention to comment political events in your country, but US is certainly a country with lots of illogical things, from a European perspective. Maybe the best way to look the cause of such things is to understand who profits from it, on larger scale of things Anyway, back to jazz. Maybe we should start to post albums that were not issued on time on their recording, but later, for reasons that we will never know for sure. Here is album of Bobby Hutcherson,'The Kicker' with same personal that recorded Grant Green's Idle moments. This album was released many years later. https://youtu.be/kv8I3QzIqQc |
Acman, There's a lot of truth in what you said about this generational thing in regard to hearing new music, but now I've discovered there's a Joker in the deck; let me explain. I had been wandering why I didn't have some of Grant Green's records, and it's because they were not released at the time they were recorded. Now I've got to find Tina Brooks recordings, this keeps me looking backward as opposed to forward. Enjoy the music. |
***** Rok, what albums do you have with Tina Brooks as a side man? ***** As leader:
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O-10, I thought you were moving on; I guess not. I appreciate your passion about this topic and I appreciate passion about any relevant topic even when its misguided. I was not "evading" anything, but simply trying to stay on the subject of music. Moreover, as I have pointed out several times before there is no need for you to be so antagonistic; it certainly will not promote good dialogue. I watched your clip on the heroin epidemic and I must say I agree with every word that Rok wrote in his comments about it. For me, it all boils down to two words: personal responsibility or the lack thereof. There are always two general points of views or attitudes about this sort of thing: 1. The attitude that holds on to the idea that all of society's ills (including those of the music business) are something that are being perpetrated on its citizens and that promotes the mindset that the citizen is owed a solution to every problem, and 2. The attitude that seeks to uplift and increase awareness through personal responsibility as much as possible and promotes the mindset of looking inward to find the answer to one's problems. For crying out loud, if the first time the mother in that video noticed that her daughter had a problem was when she actually saw her shooting heroin, she wasn't paying nearly enough attention to her daughter. The reason that there is a heroin "epidemic" today is not that it is cheap and kept cheap by diabolical pushers or business interests, it is because more and more people are desperate to find a way to fill the void in themselves caused by the absence of family unity and spirituality ( and real music?) in their lives; the absence of a sense of purpose caused by a society that promotes the thinking that we are entitled to more and more of what previously was our individual responsibility to attain. Going back to music: acknowledging the very real issues around race that many of our music heroes had to sadly endure, the truth is that many of them, as is the case today, were their own worst enemies and led lifestyles that were not conducive to stable lives. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OjFxEwyPknc Probably the greatest singer to ever live; imo, of course: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QzRS2HKmL1s |
Cory was from the Church also, but not as a singer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l0xppLcgl4 He is the keyboard player for Snarky Puppy. |
Alex, "For Green as for Brooks, the suppression of income and reputation brought on spiraling misfortunes and reduced him to beggary." This is according to Jack Chambers's WHO KILLED TINA BROOKS? Many of Grant's recordings were not released during his lifetime. These include McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones (also part of the Solid group) performing on Matador (also recorded in 1964), and several albums with pianist Sonny Clark. In 1966 Grant left Blue Note and recorded for several other labels, including Verve. From 1967 to 1969 Grant was, for the most part, inactive due to personal problems and the effects of heroin addiction. In 1969 Grant returned with a new funk-influenced band. His recordings from this period include the commercially successful Green is Beautiful and the soundtrack to the film The Final Comedown. Grant spent much of 1978 in hospital and, against the advice of doctors, went back on the road to earn some money. While in New York to play an engagement at George Benson's Breezin' Lounge, Grant collapsed in his car of a heart attack in New York City on January 31, 1979. He was buried in Greenwood Cemetery in his hometown of St. Louis, Missouri, and was survived by six children. Since Green's demise, his reputation has grown and many compilations of both his earlier (post-bop/straight ahead and soul jazz) and later (funkier/dancefloor jazz) periods, exist. Enjoy the music. |
Acman, These are highly trained musicians; some of whom may have gone to Juilliard. Whether or not they are playing jazz is not Germane, due to the evolution of music from the time when jazz was definitive till now, but I liked it. The bottom line question is whether or not an individual will buy this music, and my answer is, "not at the moment", but that could change. Enjoy the music. |
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I remember when we had "sociologists", they were replaced with "Law and Order", "Lock em up and throw away the key". Do you remember that?***** Well obviously the "Sociologists" failed!! If trained professionals can't help drug addicts, why would anyone think the US Government can? Prevention is the key, cause there ain't no cure. Cheers |
Rok, I'm not trying to make any kind of point, just observations. There is something drastically wrong, and no one is providing any real answers as to WHY? Once upon a time, we had sociologists, they went to college, and studied to give us answers for these types of events. I remember when we had "sociologists", they were replaced with "Law and Order", "Lock em up and throw away the key". Do you remember that? I have a question, why is heroin so cheap? In the past, we have looked at everything through the prism of 'race', apparently that's not a good idea, but this is a music forum, so I'll get back to the music. Acman, and others have accused us of being locked in a time warp, perhaps this is true, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing musicians of the 60's. I'm going to find some current music for us to discuss, Frogman said, like, and don't like is not sufficient in regard to responses to music. Since I'm not a musician, I can't give responses that a musician would give, but I'll do better than "Yes and no". Since I heard the name "Snarky Puppy", this is the best I can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lflkj9CRTe0&list=PLqtUSqMDbdx7iJllRgw6ZNMv27Zs92ftl Enjoy the music. |
This is stress. I cannot even listen to it anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tSV6nNTGO8 Cheers |
Heroin Video: I am not sure I get the point you are trying to make, unless, it's that drugs and addicts are found everywhere. if so, you have no argument here. It's all tragic. A few observations: The two women stated that the deaths of family members triggered their use of Heroin. They were so distraught. I think she mentioned an Aunt. We have all suffered those losses. A lot closer than Aunts. I never thought heroin was any sort of answer, and only a very weak minded person would. I think it was all BS. Where were the parents when they begin to hang with the wrong crowd? Where were the parents when they dropped out of school? Stress? How much stress can a upper middle class teenager have? Not being able to provide food for your children, That's Stress!! Deaths: 185 in a little less than a year. I think Chicago averages about 500+ per year. Murders that is. Drugs have been around as long as Man has. In the rural areas it's Meth. That's worst than heroin. They get no help or publicity at all. BTW, we now know that the German Army was on Meth during the war. No wonder they could go non-stop. There is nothing new under the sun. Cheers |
Ok Frogman, and Rok; we're going to move on, that's fine with me, I have no problem avoiding reality. I bought that LP Sahara when it came out. It took Tyner and Trane to make the Coltrane sound; consequently, when you hear Tyner, you also hear Trane in your mind. I like "Inner Voices" also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDMnSIedk-c&list=PL4T6xBFLnigsWD2gl9UPfjUx1zOWosIWZ Enjoy the music. |
Today's Listen: McCoy Tyner -- SAHARA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJz5J-k04CQ&list=PLphrIV29xxqtHaJHsSAJuTZL5uILcJOdw I still hear Coltrane. Or was it Tyner all the time. :) This is one serious guy. Cheers |
Since Frogman would rather not respond to that post, I'm going to move on in the same theme "musically". Does anyone remember the movie "Superfly"; although the color has changed, that's what's going on today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmo6MRYf5g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B6TKClPFQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M Enjoy the music. |
O-10, re Previn (and the 3/20 post): There must be a couple hundred clips of Previn on YouTube, you write this: ****Since I have jazz by Andre Previn, I tried to find some classical music by him, but this is all I found.**** and, you post the clip I commented on. Certainly appears that you consider it classical. I don’t think nor did I state that you are MOWRON. It is clear, however, that you prefer, as I said before, to focus on the negative and stay on the dark side. Sorry, I’m not playing. Hey, btw, one out of three ain’t too bad. Now you know you like John Adams; how about that! Also, are we talking about Previn the classical composer or Previn the classical conductor? |
Learsfool, this is the classical Andre Previn; could you give a critique? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvU5OGdVFNc Enjoy the music. |
This is "Like Young" sung by Linda Lawson; it's real hip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA81pRYtEXc Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, I never said it was classical, I would have to be a MOWRON to think that was classical music. I stated this was all I could find by Previn , and I asked Learsfool to find some classical music. That was considered "west coast jazz" in 58, with a 'beatnik' theme. Do you remember them? 'Like Young' was not considered bland at that time, and I still like it. Your last sentence emphatically states that I am a MOWRON. You're probably too young to remember when that was red hot on the west coast. |
I would add that the posted Previn link is not "classical" music at all. It is Previn playing a twelve bar blues with orchestra sweetening. Previn is a wonderful musician, but this is pretty bland stuff; taking into account the differences in genres, no better than what one hears from Kenny G in an elevator. Just because it is played by an orchestra does not make it "classical". O-10, what do you think of this?: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Chp25lzorcw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XYEWU0AdKj4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-eSYbOOrIMY |
Orpheus, in the classical world, Andre Previn is mainly known as a conductor, though he did write a few pieces. He also wrote a few film scores. I don't think I have ever even heard any of his classical compositions, let alone played them. Certainly they are not performed very often, especially if he is not conducting them. His recordings I have heard where he is a conductor did not particularly impress me. Not saying they are not good, just that there are much better conductors. |
Thanks to toudou: Frank Hewitt. I find him to be a VERY interesting and unusual piano player. Reminds me of Monk in that he has obvious limitations as far as technical facility goes and yet it doesn’t get in the way of setting wonderful grooves and keeping the listener interested with inventiveness in his solos. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Izc-0byJq1E https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL3eRQBe9sX1uhctHJrMWum8j2S-NQUMop¶ms=OAFIAVgS&v=kL4Asf... https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL3eRQBe9sX1uhctHJrMWum8j2S-NQUMop¶ms=OAFIAVgE&v=jYNdx9... |
Rok on Rok, tell it like is, "Mama's little baby like diamonds, Mama's little baby like gold", yall can keep that shortnin bread (whatever that is) Damn near all the Blue Note jazz musicians were junkys, was that a coincident. What did Blue Note do to help them. Those musicians have to show up for a lot of club dates. Blue Note didn't care about them not showing up for jobs, but they only have to show up at the recording studio every now and then. Albums made in 65, are still selling today, and if Blue Note paid a flat price, nobody but Blue Note is making money off those albums. An addict would sell his mother to get a fix. No matter how immoral and rotten that sounds, that's the way it was, and Blue Note knew it. Now we have a heroin epidemic, and those pretty little girls in the suburbs, who should be in college, might be out hustling to get a fix. What do you think about that? I bet you can't give an answer, and if you do, it will be much different than whatever answer you gave in regard to Tina Brooks being an addict. With all those boss albums Grant Green had out, why did he have to leave his hospital bed to make a gig? The doctor told him it would kill him, and it did. I don't even know if he still had a habit at that time, I doubt it. When I saw an addict with the incredible talent of a jazz musician, it tore my heart out, and I did what I could to help them, Blue Note saw money on the hoof, (I mean foot) when they saw what I saw. There is absolutely no doubt that Blue Note had the most talented jazz musicians. That kind of talent is very rare; it's only when you see them live, no rehearsal, no written music, and they perform like you would not believe. Maybe nobody believes what I wrote and said I saw, but that's OK; let's call him "Harvey". To get a little more specific, let's call him Blue Note Harvey. Since I have seen an addict who I couldn't help, these people are not statistics, they are people who need help, and it's too late to get sanctimonious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-uYsuSKe4g If you want to know where it comes from, check heroin and Afghanistan. |