Jazz for aficionados
Today's Listen: Horace Silver -- THE TOKYO BLUES 'Tokyo Blues' turned out to be the most popular tune, but I found that I liked 'Sayonara Blues' best. More piano playing and less 'drumming' by Silver. A really nice album. Blue Mitchell on Trumpet. Cover Art? Classic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3zvumezFZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UAIsks8CaI Cheers |
Speaking of Sinatra, George Benson and the Breckers. Check out the band's personnel list; amazing! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iz3yk_BgGDc |
Rok, loved the clips from "The Jodi Grind"; especially "Grease Piece". I was not familiar with this record and the more that Silver is discussed, the more respect that I have for him. What a great composer! Tunes that are interesting, catchy and always bear his stamp all over them; "Grease Piece" is no exception. I find Silver’s playing interesting on this cut in that it reminds me a little bit of McCoy Tyner (!); had never heard that in Silver’s playing before and perhaps he was influenced by the presence of Woody Shaw on the date with his harmonic approach which, up to that point in time, was more modern than many of the players that Silver had had in his band previously. Shaw played more angularly and harmonically "outside". And Walter Benton! Talk about raw and soulful; reminds me a little of Bennie Maupin. Whatever happened to him? Will have to look for recordings of his stuff. "Pursuit Of The 27th Man" is kind of a legendary record for young saxophone players. It was a record that gave the Breckers (especially Michael) some real jazz cred; being that he, unlike many of the older players who transitioned to "fusion", "jazz-rock" or "whatever", began his career in those genres while also playing straight-ahead jazz. It took some time for the purists to take him seriously as a jazz player and the incredible musician that he was. You’re right about the rhythmic interplay between piano and vibes; beautiful stuff! Thanks for the clips. In a recent post, Alex made what I think is an extremely important comment and one that I have made in one way or another several times: ****Also I feel that music is more than craft, but have enough sense to recognise that part as very important too.**** The comment was made re George Benson and Grant Green and there is much more in that comment than meets the eye. Along with the appreciation of craft are two cosiderations that I think are very important: when and how to recognize that impressive "craft" is trying to make up for lack of substance (feeling) and the player is not saying anything; and (2) the possible danger in prematurely judging impressive craft as meaning that there is no substance. Tricky stuff which goes to the heart of much of what gets discussed here , sometimes in a contentious way, and which also goes to who we each are as individual listeners with our own likes and dislikes. Of course, our own likes and dislikes have much to do with our willingness to be both open minded and humble in how we judge the music and may not say much about the true quality of any music. I posted this once before. Amazing craft, and also a great deal deal of substance and feeling; IF we understand the language (post-Coltrane) he’s speaking in (imo). As Rok said, this guy was the real deal: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns02jzH8Ccw |
Alex, I promised you some comments re "Best Coast Jazz". As I said before, I don't think I have ever heard anything by Clifford Brown that I didn't like. I have and love his recordings with Max Roach and "C B With Strings" has always been one of my very favorite ballads records. It is remarkable that eventhough he tragically died at the age pf 25(!) he was able to achieve such a high level of musicianship and be so influential. "Best Coast Jazz" is a terrific record, clearly in a bebop bag and has the stamp of Charlie Parker's vocabulary all over it; particularly (no surprise) in the case of the two alto players, but with a somewhat lighter rhythmic touch and softer instrumental tones typical of West Coast players. I think the tenor player Walter Benton sounds less committed to the bebop idiom and his connection to the older "swing" style can be heard in his tone, inflections and less complete command of the more complex bebop harmonies. Clifford is brilliant as always. Few players can "tell a story" the way that Clifford could: https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLi8BquRmKA_n4umKPYQFIWlVzineIM9b2&v=uAl6Sro_OtI Your clip was a bit of a "blast from the past" for me since one of the alto players, Herb Geller, was the featured alto player on the very first jazz record I bought at the age 13, Maynard Ferguson's "McArthur Park"; great alto player. The other alto player, Joe Maini, definitely belongs on your list of "forgotten ones". Fantastic West Coast player who was greatly admired during his years in the LA scene, but sadly led a tragic life. Interesting, if sad, story: http://www.jazzwax.com/2010/06/the-truth-about-joe-mainis-death.html Thanks for the Clifford Clip. |
Aficionados, feel free to weigh in on this controversy; that's the only way it will be resolved; when I say "aficionados", I don't mean the peanut gallery, but those who have contributed to this thread. From my point of view, Frogman has been on a mission lately, and the evidence is quite blatant; but since Frogman is a musician, and you value a musicians input over a sincere and honest evaluation of the music, I have no problem with that; but to put this in the vernacular of the West "This town ain't big enough for the both of us", Frogman has made that quite apparent. Disregard the fact that I started this thread because it can't function without you; unfortunately you have to make an ugly decision for the thread to continue. Enjoy the music. |
"It is Previn playing a twelve bar blues with orchestra sweetening. Previn is a wonderful musician, but this is pretty bland stuff; taking into account the differences in genres, no better than what one hears from Kenny G in an elevator." That's what Frogman had to say about "Like Young" by Andre Previn. One of us is "Phaking the Phunk", and it might be me; but it's for sure one of us is Phaking the Phunk". According to my evaluation "Like Young" is boss, and here are some other people who think so as well; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCZxvAG5wHg Ella Fitzgerald doesn't think "Like Young" is elevator music. Linda Lawson doesn't think "Like Young" is elevator music; it jump started her career. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA81pRYtEXc Now it's either me or Frogman is "Phaking the Phunk"; one of us is not a true jazz "aficionado". Enjoy the music. |
In addition to "Like Young" by Andre Previn, he played some real hip "West Coast" jazz. I suppose you have to get in a laid back west coast groove with a glass of wine to dig Andre; his music is what was happening in LA in the late 50's, "Beatniks" were in; he even did the soundtrack for a movie titled "The Subteraneans"; here's "Jeru", as Miles called him, and Art Farmer with music from that movie. The man plays some real hip piano, but not everybody can dig it; that's the way it is with all things that are truly hip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puUeyUAX3Is Jeru's baritone is one hip sounding sax, but not everybody can dig it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo537jPaFPc Enjoy the music |
I asked Learsfool what did he think of Andre Previn as a classical musician, and he hadn't heard any classical music by Previn; I looked but failed, and I responded. I have jazz by Andre Previn, and I tried to find some classical music by him, but this is all I found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwEuR2TtW5c Maybe you could find some classical music by him and paste it so we can hear it. Or any classical you like best. learsfool 1,167 posts 03-20-2016 1:45am Orpheus, in the classical world, Andre Previn is mainly known as a conductor, though he did write a few pieces. He also wrote a few film scores. I don't think I have ever even heard any of his classical compositions, let alone played them. Certainly they are not performed very often, especially if he is not conducting them. His recordings I have heard where he is a conductor did not particularly impress me. Not saying they are not good, just that there are much better conductors. Learsfool, this is the classical Andre Previn; could you give a critique? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvU5OGdVFNc Enjoy the music. Frogman chimed in a conversation that didn't involve him one way or the other, and this is what he said; frogman 2,654 posts 03-20-2016 9:08am I would add that the posted Previn link is not "classical" music at all. It is Previn playing a twelve bar blues with orchestra sweetening. Previn is a wonderful musician, but this is pretty bland stuff; taking into account the differences in genres, no better than what one hears from Kenny G in an elevator. Just because it is played by an orchestra does not make it "classical". O-10, what do you think of this?: Now why would I think "Like Young", my favorite piece by Andre Previn since 1959, to be classical music? Frogman, I never said it was classical, I would have to be a MOWRON to think that was classical music. I stated this was all I could find by Previn , and I asked Learsfool to find some classical music. remember that word that you used, with unfounded indignation, describing what you thought I (and another esteemed aficionado who I will not include in this bs) felt that you were? You know.....that word that rhymes with "boron"? I am saddened to have to report that I believe you were correct in using that word. Now Frogman is saying that "Learsfool", that's the esteemed aficionado he's referring to, thought I was a MOWRON. Learsfool never made any such statement in a conversation that Frogman had no business commenting on what so ever; the conversation was between Learsfool and I. Enjoy the Frogman. |
Today's Listen: Horace Silver -- THE JODY GRIND Seems as if all Silver's recordings contain at least one 'hit' tune. On this CD, it's 'The Jody Grind'. Six tracks, all good, But my favorites are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbQG0TArT60 piece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvKi8Re5RM hip Woody Shaw on Trumpet. Notes by Leonard Feather. Notes that only The Frogman could love, or understand. BTW, Dee Dee killed 'The Jody Grind' on her tribute album. Album cover art? Disco Silver? Cheers |
Orpheus, guess we can all agry that at a present there are only a few of us that are participating on these pages. Personally, would like that there are more people doing so. Believe that higher tolerance would be one of things that might help promoting broader diversity of opinions and tastes. So, i will use Acman's words and say ' There will always be people with a different opinion than you. Some are just haters and others just get off on different music. I love some music that others don't even consider music. So what? 🙃 If you feel the same, I see no reason that you get offended by something that for exmp. Frogman may say about some artist that you ( or me, or anyone else ) particulary like. When doing so, imo, he does it on civil and educated view (from one point, without the doubt) If you think that maybe he (or someone else) lacks something in his perspective, you can easily share your thoghts, thats why we are all here, at first place, and that can only make the forum more interesting. Its not necessary that everyone has the same opinion, or the possibility to express their deep emotions about the music, with eloquent style, as we all know that some likings can not be simply converted to words. Also I feel that music is more than craft, but have enough sense to recognise that part as very important too. So, if we speak about Benson and Green, fast or flashy way, may or may not have advantage over groove and bluesey feel, its just up to any of us to decide what likes more. If someone likes and points that, at one side, as long as he has the capacity to recognise the other part, I see no reason for a throwing rocks. (or Rok's?) Hope that these words, or me addressing to you, would not be taken as offense. Too many words, no music. Byrd/Burrell 'All Day Long' https://youtu.be/Gz6UIoLNrcQ |
O-10, remember your comment about my supposed feeling that everything you say has to do with me? Now, remember that word "projection"? Now, again, remember that word that you used, with unfounded indignation, describing what you thought I (and another esteemed aficionado who I will not include in this bs) felt that you were? You know.....that word that rhymes with "boron"? I am saddened to have to report that I believe you were correct in using that word. **** frogman 2,653 posts 04-17-2016 3:06pm (Alex, thanks for your evenhanded response; as always). Will comment on Clifford later when I have more time. (I will say , however, that I have never heard anything by Clifford Brown that I didn’t like).**** Get a life, man. |
Today's Listen: Horace Silver -- 6 PIECES of SILVER To my ear, a fairly generic CD, esp by Silver's standard. 10 Tracks, three of which are versions of 'Senor Blues'. Donald Byrd on Trumpet. This vocal version is not talked about much. Vocals by Bill Henderson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YIbV8uUI24 Slower. I like it. I notice that Dee Dee did not do 'Senor Blues' on her tribute CD to Silver. Cheers |
This song comes to mind when thinking about Jazz and life through the years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emAe6IClGys This reminds me of nothing in particular, it's just good stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYDdsADoNao Cheers |
O-10, you are not thinking "globally" enough. Green recorded several records for BN around and after the time that the Verve record was released. I was making a comment about the Verve record being indicative of Grant's playing relative to what was going on in the music scene as a whole (including BN) and why that may have affected his relationship with BN. I can't be any clearer than that. Of course, if one is coming from a viewpoint that business interests are always trying to screw the artist, then its more difficult to see the relationship. Re my response to Acman3: it could not be clearer, please take it at face value. |
Rok, I do declare ☺️, I have been touting the Breckers here (especially Michael) for a long time. I seem to recall the designation of.....well, you know....rhymes with bread baker. I am glad that you have come around. Michael in my opinion was, as well as being a great contemporary jazz player and extremely influential, probably the greatest saxophone virtuoso that ever lived. Will have more to say later. |
Today's Listen: Horace Silver -- IN PURSUIT of THE 27th MAN Three of the tracks with the Brecker Brothers and four with David Friedman on vibes, instead of the Brecker bros. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMNHBy9NYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed04dStgKhY This is one of those, not underrated, but seldom mentioned gems. Check out the interplay between the piano and vibes on 27th man. Wow. I just had to burst out laughing. Great stuff. I think those Brecker Brothers are the real deal. Where did the title of the CD come from? Notes: Someone running after someone or something. The 27th man is representative of the improved advance man of the future that we are all striving to become. If one has a faint knowledge of numerology, one can derive added meaning from the numbers in this title. Grand PooBahs, and Those with a 'faint' knowledge, please weigh-in and enlighten the great unwashed. Cheers |
Grant Green would have been better off if he had never left St. Louis. Blue Note came to St. Louis looking for Grant Green, he didn't go looking for Blue Note. He would not have become famous, but he might still be alive, and as well off as other St. Louis musicians. St. Louis takes care of it's musicians; but when they're destitute after being rich and famous, that's the last thing they want out. (once you become famous, people think you're rich) I can think of a musician who was rich and famous, but became destitute and in bad health. Naturally they wanted to keep it a secret. When word got out, not only did they get help with medical bills, but attorneys helped them recoup millions in royalities. All the St. Louis musicians who I know personally, live on the same economic scale as someone with a good job; they have a nice home and automobile, plus live good. When word gets out about a musician being destitute, (right now I'm thinking of local musicians) the first thing that happens is a "benefit"; any famous musicians have to show up, and perform for free. Rich patrons can't just donate $20; they have to contribute real money, because their names will be on a plaque with how much they donated. Every musician in St. Louis has to show up. If they're too old to perform, at least they were seen. For fans like me, it's the place to see, and be seen by people you haven't seen for ages. Everybody has a good time, and we all benefit. I'm glad Chuck Berry is still alive, he was always instrumental in benefits. Like I said in the beginning, no musician whose been famous wants anyone to know when they get destitute; a big mistake in St. Louis. Enjoy the music. |
"Some of his best recordings remained unissued until the Eighties, and were then only available in Japan in limited quanties." Frogman stated; Grant Green's "His Majesty King Funk" was, in fact, released the same year that it was recorded (on lp of course). This was the same time period that George Benson was making quite a name for himself with Brother Jack McDuff and his own "Cookbook". It's a good record and as Alex points out has some catchy tunes. The "Verve" cd release date had nothing to do with the "Blue Note" records. We were discussing the "release" of the "Blue Note" records, and because I quoted notes on that CD you say it's related. You stated the "Verve" CD was released in the same year; what's the connection? Acmans post The Grant Green Mosaic box set with Sonny Clark is one of the releases that mostly came from Japan. It is highly regarded. frogman 2,650 posts 04-17-2016 9:03am Well said, Acman3. If you agree with Acman, are you saying Grant Greens Mosaic box set should be well regarded, Frogman? or what are you saying? What did you mean when you made that statement? Qdrone, could you name the stuff to avoid, I would like to buy it. qdrone 799 posts 01-23-2011 1:29pm Anything that says never released or only released in Japan. Or in box sets where you have newly discovered tracks (Mosiac has one or two sets with Green) I actualy posted for everyone to understand the times these recordings were made,heroin was problem among many musicians,I'm sorry that your so full of yourself that you thought i was just responding to you. Since "Qdrone's post was directed at me personally, do you agree with his post? It's very difficult to follow where you're coming from, and what it is you're trying to say. Could you compact and simplify; meaning say where you're coming from in fewer words. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, of course that I dont mind or take pesonally some of your critics or opinions about some players or their playing. In fact, I am always intersted to learn something new, I know that that is a hard task without proper musical education, but still I can try. As for the trumpet player, it is Dave Burns, and yes, we have mentioned him before, more or less with same words, yours I mean. No comments for Clifford Browns clips? Everybody are familiar with those albums? |
I think one of the biggest issues in these disputes, and one which applies to the music itself in a big way, is the absence of nuance. Iow, we tend to deal with descriptions of likes, dislikes, players’ styles, etc. in very wide gradations; instead of recognizing that there can be far more levels between simple "like" and "dislike", "good" and "bad"; and, certainly between "very good" and "one of the best". Example: I don’t recall anyone "trashing" the Bey Sisters. Not particularly like, yes; but, "trash"? Excellent advise to not take it personally. |
Since we are in this groove, might as well go first class: Great photos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOL454T4Gg&ebc=ANyPxKpUioQ7ULH70duxA-nVig_lPbDELluQIV8BUZ0zLFSj... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE3NM__LIIg Cheers |
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There will always be people with a different opinion than you. Some are just haters and others just get off on different music. ****** Acman3 gave me similar advice following the infamous "Bey Sisters" episode. Those wonderful, harmonious, swinging, song birds of Jazz. Unjustly Trashed by the entire thread. Not one of 'aficionados' finer moments. But I didn't take it personally, it's just Jazz. I still get my weekly 'Bey Sister' fix. Cheers |
Alex, one of my favorite tenor players (The Little a Giant); will never forget hearing him live at the Village Vanguard back in the ’80s. I listened to your clips while I wrote my previous posts and here my impressions of the trumpet player; you have my word that I did not "peak": Nice player with a very nice time feel with a vocabulary not quite as wide as some of other players. I would say he listened to a lot of Lee Morgan as he has a similar swagger in his time feel. Reminded me of a player you posted previously and I couldn’t remember his name. In fairness, since you posed a challenge to identify the player, I suspected that it may be one of the "forgotten ones". Please keep in kind that, for better or worse, as a musician I listen for certain things that are telltale and may not be important to other listeners (nor should they necessarily be). Here’s why he reminded me of that other player: This trumpet player plays consistently a little flat in pitch and is what brass players call a little "fracky"; his note attacks are not always the cleanest. Listen to the unison lines with the tenor saxophone in "Low Gravy" (particularly at the end of the tune); intonation is not that great. Still, very nice player and I really like his time feel. My comments may seem more critical that they are meant to be, but you did ask 😎 |
Alex, I don't disagree with anything you wrote; except the implication that I was saying otherwise about chronology. I know you are not a fan of Benson, but he was not "my pick" as concerns this discussion; he was mentioned by the writer in the liner notes that O-10 quoted as one of the players that "overshadowed" Green. "Bugaloo Jones": New to me. VERY NICE! Love his sound and feel. Very funky. Fabulous! Thanks for those clips; and they make my point about players' ability to play in a certain style. This is definitely his musical home turf and he does it on a level that, imo, Grant Green does not. What I hear in Jones' playing is an understanding of the feel of "rock and roll" which was, obviously, a force to contend with at the time and something that would have an impact on a player's appeal. I don't know much about his playing, but I also don't hear much that tells me he could play in other styles (straight ahead jazz) as well. What made Benson special was his rare ability to play credibly in any style, his virtuosity, he can sing; and, as concerns "marketability" and whether we like or not, he looks good. We can criticize the reasons that record labels have for promoting certain artists more than others all we want, but I think we should always remember that if a label does not succeed NO ONE benefits. ****Probably the ’jazz scene’ was never so pure, or it was bigger than the audience, so there was no big enough market to sustain all that. I guess that is one of the reasons that contributed to change in styles (for worst,imho) in years to come.**** Very true. Except, imho, the "for worst" part; but, only inasmuch as it is, as always, an inevitable change. This is the part that I think is often missed about the changes in jazz, music in general, and art as a whole. It HAS to change and it WILL change. As always, it all reflects the changing cultural climate; and how we each feel about that change is a reflection of who we are as individuals. This is true for artists as well as listeners. That is why artists seldom do their best work late in their careers; they have a voice or style that often does not stay as relevant in a changing social climate. It is the rare artist who can ride that wave of change with consistently high quality music. |
Don't let one man's opinion from 5 years ago worry you. Today has it's own worries. The Grant Green Mosaic box set with Sonny Clark is one of the releases that mostly came from Japan. It is highly regarded. There will always be people with a different opinion than you. Some are just haters and others just get off on different music. I love some music that others don't even consider music. So what? 🙃 |
O-10, I expected a contentious rebuttal to my comments from you; or, at least, one with an "edge". I will not get into another pointless and unpleasant dispute about a player that you obviously have a personal affinity for and, as a result, cannot deal with anything other than glowing commentary. You missed the thrust of my comments which have everything to do with Blue Note and the comments by Rok about the business interests of record labels and how they make decisions on what to release and when. The obvious rebuttal to your comment "that record has absolutely nothing to do with BN" is: then why did you, after talking about that record and quoting it's liner notes, go on a rant about BN? Once again, I wished that instead of knee jerk reactions there would be discussion about the SUBSTANCE of comments. Bottom line for me is stated very well by the very liner notes you quote, no conspiracy theory and no "getting screwed" by a record label: ****(Grant Green was) Overshadowed by such virtuosos as, first, Wes Montgomery, and later George Benson, **** End of story. |
As for jazz ’purists’ among us, (meaning Rok this time) I am posting this two next clips, of two (in fact three ) great albums that everyone should have. First is called ’Best Coast Jazz’ from 1954.with Clifford Brown and all star group. Here is the link https://youtu.be/YCwPup7mmJA From the same session, it can be found one single edition now, because of length they were cut on two lp’s. https://youtu.be/w5BGbjqUWns And if that is not enough for this jazzy Sunday, here is another album. It is Johnny Griffins ’Studio Jazz Party’ from 1960. Hope you will like it. Frogman, before you look who plays the trumpet, tell me how do you like it https://youtu.be/Wu0qnePU3Os https://youtu.be/cpYIQZtMlNE https://youtu.be/2XhNT9YaEsc |
Frogman, I believe that Green’s playing can not be chronologically divided on jazz (ante ’soul’) and post ’jazz’ period. I have just checked some of the dates where he played in that style on others people albums, like with Lou Donaldson, and its obvius that while on his solo projects he was in ’jazz’ , on other occasions he was already in ’soul jazz’ or what ever we should call it, and those albums were recorded as early as 1962. like ’Natural Soul’. https://youtu.be/o4tIhsfcxyM Probably the ’jazz scene’ was never so pure, or it was bigger than the audience, so there was no big enough market to sustain all that. I guess that is one of the reasons that contributed to change in styles (for worst,imho) in years to come. As for George Benson, I was never his fan. This would be my pick. If I have not mentioned him before, this is a must opportunity. Here is the link Ivan Joe Jones https://youtu.be/kUVNIJl6h38 https://youtu.be/8PleEvRgGOc https://youtu.be/sOiPlxCqXUA |
Qdrone, this is about Grant Greens music; it wasn't necessary for us to know about Grant Greens habit. orpheus10 2,793 posts 01-23-2011 10:51am Qdrone, could you name the stuff to avoid, I would like to buy it. qdrone 799 posts 01-23-2011 1:29pm Anything that says never released or only released in Japan. Or in box sets where you have newly discovered tracks (Mosiac has one or two sets with Green) I actualy posted for everyone to understand the times these recordings were made,heroin was problem among many musicians,I'm sorry that your so full of yourself that you thought i was just responding to you. Well now that Mr. Qdrone, has told you what records to avoid, maybe you can evaluate those records and get back to me, Mr. Frogman. Enjoy the music. |
Sorry, forgot the clips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gs_CL7fLkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhwTv9M8 Cheers |
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I'm going to assume that means the evaluation and review of Mr. Silver is concluded.****** Not so fast my friend. You have not even mentioned some of his best LPs / CDs. Examples: Blowin' The Blues Away Six Pieces of Silver The Tokyo Blues etc...... I am currently listening to "In Pursuit of the 27th Man". Will report tomorrow. And you can't leave Silver without mentioning the Dee Dee Disc. There is a reason folks don't get into the giants, it's just too much. Wanna try Ellington? Cheers |
Grant Green was a great jazz guitarist and I really like many of his recordings. However, it would be foolish to think that every player can play in every style equally well; few can. Personally, I don't feel that Grant Green's playing in "soul-jazz", "funk", "whatever one wants to call it" style is on the same level as that of the two other guitarists mentioned, George Benson and Wes Montgomery. That's not to say that his efforts in that style were not good; simply that they weren't as convincing as those of other players playing that style. I don't know why Blue Note didn't release some of his records after recording them, but I can surmise: Grant Green's "His Majesty King Funk" was, in fact, released the same year that it was recorded (on lp of course). This was the same time period that George Benson was making quite a name for himself with Brother Jack McDuff and his own "Cookbook". It's a good record and as Alex points out has some catchy tunes. But it's not a great record, regardless of style, and it has some problems; some of which have nothing to do with Green. The rhythm section is not as tight as others in that style and they sound a little sloppy, and Harold Vick on tenor was a bad choice imo, sounding weak and unconvincing. This record is on Verve and I have not heard the Blue Note recordings that O-10 refers to, but if this Verve recording is any indication of what some of those Blue Notes are like, I can see the powers that be at Blue Note deciding that those records simply couldn't compete in the marketplace with records and younger players like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL911F2BE54808509A¶ms=OAFIAVgL&v=6ILWPfmIvys&mode=N... To me, this is simply better playing in the funk/soul-jazz style, all the way around (George Benson was 21!): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_ccqV-AdU |
It's been over 24 hours since I posted "Cape Verdeen Blues" by Mr. Horace Tavares Silver, and no one has posted in regard to that album. I'm going to assume that means the evaluation and review of Mr. Silver is concluded. It has come to my attention that we have only reviewed known jazz divas, and other well known divas of various genres, with the exclusion of one of my favorite female vocalists, Ms. Dusty Springfield; therefore I will post a couple of my favorite tunes by her; "Since I Fell For You" and "The Look Of Love"; she sings these tunes in a fashion that makes my heart cry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kYYEpIumCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPkp-pCJYCc Enjoy the music. |
Alex, I haven't heard the entire CD, only what you got posted, and I certainly don't regret I bought the CD. I bought some of Byrd's music thinking it was jazz way back then, and it was like someone turning up a bottle of wine, and tasting whisky; or someone turning up a bottle of whiskey, and tasting wine; either way, they would spit it out. I just ordered some of the same music that I took back, and I might order more. No it's not jazz, but I like it; that's because I can accept it for what it is; it's wine, and I wanted whiskey at that time, but now that I know it's wine, I think it's some pretty good wine; speaking of which, I think I will have a glass. If it was possible, I would offer you one too. Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I was listening to Grant Green before Blue Note ever heard the name, and he never made no sub standard music then, why should he come to Blue Note and make sub-standard music? Besides, that's what somebody on "Agon" said Blue Note Said, in regard to sub-standard music. I've got all the factors, I've added, subtracted, multiplied, divided, taken the square root of the denominator, and the answer is; Grant got screwed, and that's all I got to say about that; next subject. Enjoy the music. |
