Hi o10,
I’m not familiar with DOL, in fact never heard of it before. I did note from the link you provided they are from Russia and apparently they are all bootlegs. I would avoid them based simply on that. Plus some of the user comments below the listing were not very positive.
Due to my age and having been buying jazz LPs for so long, the majority of my collection are original releases. And most of those were bought new. In later years when I began infilling albums I missed I’ve been very careful about condition for used purchases -- clean, flat, scratchless.
In the past 10 years I have bought a few reissues, mostly of things I didn’t own, sometimes after giving up on finding clean used copies.
My position may be somewhat controversial but I do not buy new reissues to get remastered or reengineered versions. Whenever I’ve been able to compare an original against a reissue most times I prefer the original. That of course assumes the original plays quietly. I judge my records by 1) the performance, 2) condition of the LP, and 3) the quality of the recording itself. After #1 there is little separation between 2 and 3.
I’ve always been somewhat anal about record handling. ;^) My first stereo included a Dual changer, but I always used the short spindle and never stacked the records. Also from the beginning it was "fingers off" the groove area and records were stored vertical and dry in their sleeves and jackets. When less expensive cleaning machines than the Monks hit the market I bought a Nitty Gritty, replaced a few years later by a VPI. My reward for all that is playing 50 year old LPs that are still quiet.
Sorry, that’s a long response to a short question.
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Pryso, DOL's 180gm Catalogue has a lot of good looking LP's, but I don't know much about "audiophile" LP's or how to evaluate them; my LP's are mostly the originals. I would like your input. https://www.discogs.com/label/466581-DOL |
As the Hiippy's used to say, "Far out man"; so is the cover.
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Nice Frisell clips all; thanks. Love Bill Frisell; one of the most ecclectic jazz musicians today. We have discussed musicians’ “tone” a few times and Frisell has one of the most, perhaps the most, distinctive tone of all jazz guitar players whose respective tones tend to be more alike than most other jazz instruments. Really sophisticated harmonic sense and a swing feel that owes a lot to his interest in other genres; not as obviously “swingy”. Some of my favorite Frisell is his work with the Paul Motian trio. This is a really interesting take on Monk’s classic “Misterioso”: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YaY1GVeHqKwAnother interesting record; this time as leader and on which he really cuts loose on a couple of the cuts sounding less “dreamy” than usual: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tIL1vHcpwH8 |
Thanks o10, I enjoyed that. I’d read the review in Stereophile of the "Small Town" album and was curious. This was an interesting video, I noted posted by ECM, apparently on a turntable shot outside so the cloud reflections could be captured. But who are "they"? Here is another tune from that album but this one is the studio version from the source acman3 posted - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1meUGGtYzoQuite different from the brassy Bassey version we’re all familiar with. ;^) |
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Rok, I liked the link I presented much better. Although the girl on sax wasn't "Trane", she's working on it. Charenee Wade is putting Gil Scott Heron's words to music. (to call Gil Scott Heron a Rapper is an insult, he was a "social commentater") Since I consider his words quite relevant, and I thought she gave a jazzy presentation it went over quite well with me; I liked the way the bass kept it all together, although the recorded CD is much more polished. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-CQ3pEoMw |
O-10: Charnee Wade: The clip was just OK. The fact that there are young people trying to play instruments instead of shouting crude vulgar language over stolen music is in itself encouraging. The question I had was whether the Girls on Vibes and Sax could really play. They didn't show much on the clip, esp the vibe player. I like this clip better. It actually seems to be Jazz. The girl on Sax can play. Still emerging as you said, but puts a smile on my face and pride inside. I will give all my moral support to any young person with a horn. Not so sure about Miss Charnee. There's not that much talking in Jazz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re49mKF88CkCheers |
Rok, here are some emerging jazz stars; "Charnee Wade" really does it on "Offering" singing the music of Gil Scott Heron, and here we see the emerging musicians behind her. I want to thank Acman for introducing me to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuTUs3XK3SY |
My exact thoughts Frogman. |
Audra McDonald is a fantastic singer. Like you say, fantastic voice and so effortless; classically trained and flawless in many ways. I love her singing and she definitely qualifies for diva status....cabaret/Broadway diva that is and probably the best of them. Different kind of singer from the great jazz divas like Ella, however. What she does best even Ella couldn't do. Likewise, what a great jazz singer can do with a certain swing feel and swagger, not to mention scat singing, MacDonald can't do. Nice clip, btw. What she does best, imo: https://youtu.be/4J5gXGlkC3g |
Love this woman. She has won more Broadway Tony Awards than anyone in history!! Coulda, shoulda been a Jazz diva. Amazing voice, so effortlessly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCY8GpCNEh0
Good thing(for ella), we have already crowned Ella, The Queen of Jazz.
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O-10:
Sorry to hear about your health problems. You are right in thinking that sometimes the Pain killers are worst than the pain. I have been fortunate so far concerning illness and pain. I did have a kidney stone problem once, and they gave me some of that oxy-whatever. Never again. I pray you get better soon.
Pain is normally a big help to Doctors when they diagnose medical problems. Are you going to the VA?
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o10, thanks for the Bley link. I wasn't familiar with that recording, but I like it. And while I had to also listen to "Ring Christmas Bells", your link reminded me of this brief Monk piece not associated with Christmas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gew5sD4CIY |
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Rok, that was one of the most soulfull and saddest versions of that song I've heard
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Tell us how have you been, and how was your vacation in "The Med" (that's short for Mediterranean)*****
I am, and have been, just fine. How about you? I did go on a sojourn around that area. I was on a quest, like the Knights looking for the Holy Grail. Only I was looking for the origins of Jazz. Went all over Africa. No Luck. Finally a Guru in India told me to try searching in Mississippi. WTF!!!!
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Hey Rok, you and Lazarus have a lot in common; you're the only people to come back from the dead.
If you left because you wanted to be missed, you achieved your objective; I missed you.
In case you haven't forgotten,you're primarily responsible for this thread, you urged me to start it, and I said if you want a thread like that, start it yourself, but at that time you didn't have the confidence; so much for history.
Tell us how have you been, and how was your vacation in "The Med" (that's short for Mediterranean)
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aaugh!!!!!!!! Real Jazz Lovers, of Real Jazz, can only take so much!! Stop It!
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I heard Gene Quill on an album that does not show up in is discography; it might have been just a solo on this one cut, but it was memorable.
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"Wikipedia" doesn't even show 'Whisper Not' on the album; you're right once again. |
Nice clips, O-10. More record release mystery/confusion. I have to assume that there are contractual issues by way of transfer of ownership of the masters that allows this sort of thing; or, perhaps in our age of streaming, simple hanky-panky that goes under the radar of the lawyers. The YouTube clip suggests that “Four Altos” was a Sahib Shihab session; it wasn’t. The leader (and arranger) of the session was Phil Woods with Sahib Shihab (this time playing alto) one of three additional alto players; hence the title “Four Altos”. The second clip “Whisper Not” is not from the album “Four Altos” at all, but from a Benny Golson record that Shihab played on. Even the artwork was copied (sort of). This is the original lp cover which I’ve owned for many years; notice the order of the names as shown on the cover: http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/four-altos/Regardless, interesting record featuring four Charlie Parker disciples, the most notable being Phil Woods and Gene Quill. Sahib Shihab also sounds very good, although I think his voice on baritone is more distinctive. Gene Quill is one of the unsung heroes of the alto. He and Phil Woods co-led a quintet which recorded a few sessions (this one with the addition of Sol Schindler, another popular baritonist of that era): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Id5WQ0D9jdA |
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Pryso that makes you super cool, and you got good taste in music.
I don't have Pepper Adams plays Charles Mingus; that will have to be corrected.
Jimmy Knepper is tops in Mingus book.
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Alex, that sounds like me, just change the shoes to tassel loafers.
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Orpheus, your ’shoes’ story reminded me on this verse...
....’When I die, bury me in straight laced shoes,
A box backed suit and a Stetson hat
Put a 20 dollar gold piece on my watch chain;
So the boys’ll know I died standin’ pat...
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O-10, pryso is correct. In fact, that is not Mingus’ band at all, but the "Mingus Big Band" which is run by Sue Mingus in a local NYC club with regular weekly date there and plays Mingus’ music. Ronnie Cuber is the baritone. Great player with a very fat, but less edgy tone than Pepper and a bit of a "funk" influence in his style which can be heard here. That is a 1993 recording. |
Alex, it sounds better the second time around; you can focus on any instrument you glossed over the first time. Alex I'm a stickler for detail; the shoes the guy in the picture is wearing are black tassle. I thought they were "super cool" and had a pair in high school in 56. Mine were exactly like the brown one's, only black. https://www.google.com/search?q=tassel++shoes&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=8TYjZwCm...: This music is "super cool" too. |
