Jazz for aficionados
Gene Ammons! "JUG" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If77_P8v7iE Gene Ammons, IMHO, one of the top 25 tenor sax players of all time. Gene with another top 25, Dexter Gordon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFxeimS0GGc |
acman3 I have Sonny Sharrock's 3 (most popular??) albums - Ask The Ages, Seize The Rainbow, and Black Woman. Awesome guitarist and also underrated. Again I say we like a lot of the same music. And yes, I think it was Rok who posted Count Basie on page one of this thread. I believe he was the only one. |
This is the only time when a band honoring another musician really succeeded. "The Essential Mingus Big Band" has actually reincarnated Charles Mingus, they sound as good as the original, plus they expanded on his ideas. I've been collecting Mingus since "Mingus Ah Um"; they capture the essence of Mingus, and I'll have to capture all their records. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxz9eZ1Aons |
acman3 great Parliament Funk! Its like we have the same taste in music. I have all of the relevant Parliament Funkadelic and Clinton's other incarnation, just plain "Funkadelic" Eddie Hazel was a very underrated guitarist. Funkadelic with Hazel on guitar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVHrvx-Ua68 |
Settle down rok I may veer off course sometimes but I know jazz - real jazz as our OP puts it. The other day I noticed on page one of this thread after orpheus10's OP Count Basie was name just once I believe. Blasphemy!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzqatX0Miu8&list=PLowQCq3Ss89iYxpwOM3L0hC_1zbBE8LhT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88bZ8fbS3bk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isNG4ZaDzRg |
acman3 definitely Frank Zappa! Cant believe I forgot about him owning at least 50 Zappa discs. Zappa was highly influenced by jazz. He even wrote a song about Eric Dolphy. 2 of Zappa's most "jazzy" albums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBR_SPPXKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Qk8VxUwuM And then there is this live masterpiece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr6mTloYJJs |
Seems like an appropriate time for this once again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yGGtVKrD8&list=RD_8yGGtVKrD8&index=1 Cheers |
Alex, Beck and a few others have the ability to play Jazz, IMHO, but don't have the desire or discipline to follow completely through, so I I agree with your premise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTWX8QbL5B4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6WAatVwDzM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1rX9E8NuRw What about Zappa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zodxwk13HkQ |
orpheus10 I know this is a jazz aficionado thread but I just cant keep from posting the following regarding the rock group Led Zeppelin and how they stole so many of their signature licks from the greatest African American blues masters of the 1920 - 1950 era. I hope its ok with you. Here it is Led Plagiarism: Blatant Thieves! Seriously in this song alone, ironically entitled because they stole 4xs for this 1 song "How Many More Times" they were successfully sued by Chester Burnett aka Howlin Wolf for his "How Many More Years" & for "Killin Floor " which is the beginning of Led Plagiarism’s "The Lemon Song" & of course, the ending is Robert Johnson’s, "Travelling Riverside Blues". Who Blatantly Steals from the man who made Muddy Waters & was the impetus for The Rolling MFG Stones 3xs? Willie "I AM The Blues" Dixon 1. "I Cant Quit You Babe" 2. "You Shook Me" 3. "You Need Love" Dixon & Muddy Waters = "Whole Lotta Love" Again, successfully sued in out of court (admission of guilt) settlement. . . AGAIN! Little Richard’s, "Keep A Knockin" is blatant plagiarized in the opening drum solo in "Rock & Roll" Eddy Cochrans "Nervous Breakdown" stolen by Led Zep "Communication Breakdown." Bert Jansch’s "White Waterside" blatantly plagiarized by Zep’s "Black Mountain Side" as well as "The Waggoner’s Lad" Zep STOLE & renamed it, "Boogie With Stu". Hell Page even stole from Bob Dylan. "Jesus Gonna Make Up My Dyin Bed" (originally from Sonny Boy Williamson originally published "Jesus Gonna Make Up My Dyin’ Bed" Dylan held the copywright when Led Plagiarism did "In My Dyin Day". Christ Page, all u had to do was ASK! Seriously though Dylan wrote 200 + songs & Hendrix asked him for, "All Along the Watchtower" Robert Johnson yet again (the man is to the guitar as Bernard "Buddy" Rich became to the drums. Keith Richards and Jimmi Hendrix BOTH asked HOW many people were playing the guitar when they 1st heard Robert Johnson...Just 1. "Terraplane Blues" (a terraplane was a race car or duece & heavily inspired "Trampled Underfoot". Moby Grape’s "Never" ("workin from 11 to 7 kinda makes life a drag" ... plagiarized by Zep "Since I’ve Been Lovin You" ("workin from 7 to 11 kinda makes life a drag") Of course, not to mention "Dazed and Confused" which was originally that guy who wrote the "Army jingle be all that you can be" & others. Blind Boy Fulller’s "Drop Dowm Mama" stolen to be "Custard Pie" for Zep. Sonny Boy Williamson "When The levee Breaks" same as Zep’s version of the same name. His playing of a violin bow on an electric guitar...done b4. Imagine that? Same with Spirit’s "Taurus" B4 they were the Mighty Led Plagiarism...oops, I meant, Zeppelin...they traded music with Spirit. The opening riff is descending chords in A minor, so is "Taurus". Its so disgusting. I wish I NEVER was a fan bc the more I learned, the more unoriginal and mediocre Page became to me. He’s not even a Top 10 Guitarist Of All Time personally bc he was NOT original. At least "Kashmir" is theirs ... as far as we know. Then when Tool redid Led Zep’s "No Quarter" ... holy s--t Maynard & the boys knocked it out of the ballpark! 40xs better. That’s some Karma for you Jimmy, Robert. The unwritten hero is John Paul Jones. He made Page spund good. Roy "The Lemon Song " is an EXACT replica to the gr8 Robert Johnson’s "Travelling Riverside Blues " if you think it’s OKAY to steal blatantly plagiarize from Robert Johnson, you need schoolin’ in the Mississippi Delta black bluesman’s influence on the classic rock genre ... at the end of Robert Johnson’s "Travelling Riverside Blues", you’ll hear Robert croon the exact same lyrics. ... about "squeeze me baby til the juice runs down my leg. Word for word. My my my I bet Robert Johnson, Willie Dixon, Howlin Wolf & Muddy Waters are rolling over in their graves. Disregard or complete lack thereof, for the music that made this genre. Lax copywrite laws does NOT mean you can steal. By the way I would not like to follow Led Zeppelin's footsteps and blatantly plagiarize - the above was not written by me even though I have know about Zeppelins plagiarism since the 80's. But the author of the above sure gets it right! Full link (source) for the above here: https://www.songfacts.com/lyrics/led-zeppelin/how-many-more-times |
One of the greatest Bluesmen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpKB6OZ_B4c Does the above sound familiar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5o2f9wzmw |
alex as far as Jimmy Page is concerned I think his playing is good not great. 4 stars not 5. Led Zeppelin covered a lot of old blues songs with their own "twist" put into it like Willie Dixon and Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie. Kansas Joe McCoy and wife Minnie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5VmVvsjyKw Led Zeppelin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOEQTJV_3-w I could go on and on as to my thoughts on Page and Led Zeppelin but this is a jazz aficionado thread. Suffice to say "my" 2 favorites are Jimi Hendrix and Jeff Beck and there are many reasons I feel this way. Pretentious "classical/progressive" guitarists like Yngwie Malmsteen I detest. |
alex I know what you are talking about Jeff Beck comes the closest as far as rock which Jeff played. Jeff also played jazz/rock fusion. Another would be John McLaughlin although he never put out a pure "rock" album just jazz/rock fusion. There are others alex like Alvin Lee who crossed over rock - jazz/rock fusion. Al De Miola is another fine example. |
I've been listening to everyone's jazz posts most of the day; everyone submitted top musicians, and I like them all, but I liked Rok's the best. When it comes to music, I have discovered that it's best to be guided by your sub-conscious and not to ponder; everything that went into making the music, also goes into the reason why you like this better than that. |
Pjw, I guess I could say that I was a fan of ’guitar heroes’ as well,in my youth,but somehow later came to a conclusion that I prefer ’jazz sensibility’ (in lack of better expression) much more. It would be interesting to know (maybe somebody does, or can dig some article on subject) what the jazz guitarist thought of their counteraparts who played rock or blues rock music. After all, even with decline of popularity of jazz, probably helped by spreading of rock I cant remeber any ’serious’ jazz guitar player who made transition to ’other side’, no matter how they struggld to find work....and also, do not know of any good jazz album played by rock or blues guitarist? I am not making any conclusions about ’value’ of any music type, just ’thinking out loud’... Could they play it in a way that would put rock audience on fire? https://youtu.be/2p95lksHE5U Maybe Frogman can answer that, but as far as I am concerned, I cant understand how is possible that this music was put aside by general audience, not to take any credit from guys like Hendrix, or Allman, Buchanan,Gallagher or any other....I can understand the raw energy, but still...its a mistery to me.... https://youtu.be/KVcS7KDf60s p.s. would be curious to check Jimmy Page's record colllection... |
Great song orpheus10 Albert King is another of my favorite blues guitar men. And here is one from a man BB King greatly respected and they even jammed together on numerous occasions including the 1969 Newport Jazz Festival: Blues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnApmuGOD1k Boogie Woogie: (awesome rendition of a Bob Dylan song) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8dzp8SFF_k Johnny and BB jamming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GJWWPpFqRU Great interview with BB and Johnny Winter: https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/bb-king-and-johnny-winter-jam-together-on-tv-circa-1982 |
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Here is Albert Collins and Roy Buchanan on the same stage. Look at how long Albert's fingers are! and he does not use a pick! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIeZSUevSuc |
They may have shopped at the piggly wiggly as well but all 4 predominately played the one and only original sounding Fender Telecaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Telecaster As a matter of fact Albert Collins was dubbed the "Master of the Telecaster" but Buchanan was in a league of his own. If you had been listening to Roy Buchanan since the 70’s, like I have and still do, until he took his own life in 1988, you would hear chords and notes coming from his guitar that are simply unbelievable. He would sometimes sound like 2 guitarists were playing instead of one. He was the master of "pitch bending." And yes, I will admit it, Roy did like his polyester clothing, including bell bottoms and corduroy pants that look like he bought them at Woolworths. Al Kooper talking about Michael Bloomfield, another great Telecaster player: "Why not do an entire jam album together?" Kooper remembered in 1998, writing the booklet notes for the Bloomfield anthology Don’t Say That I Ain’t Your Man: Essential Blues, 1964–1969. "At the time, most jazz albums were made using this modus operandi: pick a leader or two co-leaders, hire appropriate sidemen, pick some tunes, make some up and record an entire album on the fly in one or two days. Why not try and legitimize rock by adhering to these standards? In addition, as a fan, I was dissatisfied with Bloomfield’s recorded studio output up until then. It seemed that his studio work was inhibited and reined in, compared to his incendiary live performances. Could I put him in a studio setting where he could feel free to just burn like he did in live performances?" |
acman3 Pat Martino is one of my favorites and I have seen him live numerous times. I know he is still recording and touring. However, since he got his start in the early 60's, exclusively with one of my favorite tenor sax men, Willis "Gator tail" Jackson, I don't think we could count him as a "new" jazz guitarist. BTW, I have Willis Jackson and Pat Martino's complete output - every recording session they did - terrific music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuJaxQ9SCq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTWS_4Pq3gg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI9u3G1bPc0 |
Here is one of 109 comments from the Roy Buchanan "Sweet Dreams" song I posted. "This song by Roy Buchanan is the most soulful thing I’ve ever heard. It sends chills up my Spine! Roy played guitar like he came from a higher plain." Roy showing off his chops at Carnegie Hall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aXW7-HjrUU As far as finger speed in both hands, IMHO, Roy is as good as any of the greatest there ever was in jazz and blues although Roy mainly stuck to blues. |
Today's Listen: Duke Ellington, Charlie Mingus, Max Roach -- MONEY JUNGLE This is, at the least, the most distinguished Jazz trio in history. All 13 tunes written by Ellington. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erflgkir2H4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylEAkkREuNc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkBTEUbSo6c Cheers |
pjwGlad you like Grand Stewart. Around the corner is on my short list of his CDs to buy. The first CD of his I purchased was a set of covers of Ellington and strayhorn tunes title Grant Stewart plays the music of Duke Ellington and Billy strayhorn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLFmf2jbZ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgPJO1uT6F8 BTW- not sure if you noticed but he's sounds similar to Sonny Rollins which is one of the reasons I really like his style. I'm not the first one to say that as I also read it in one of the interviews of one of his CDs. I also own his CDs in the Still of the Night, live at Smalls, and Planet jazz. Haven't had a chance to listen to them will comment/ post when I do. |
A question for guitar aficionados like myself. What do Roy Buchanan, Al Cooper, Danny Gatton, and Albert Collins have in common? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClRHx5FJ9yA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq6F2dMhXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_jmeU505GI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz6LbWWqX-g |
Another example of a current jazz guitarist who is pretty darn good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p2qja49-Oc Fast forward to 6:45 to hear Gilmore's solo. And then there is the great Bobby Broom, whom Sonny Rollins brought on tour with him numerous times in the 90's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrekQ3339BY |
Oh I totally understand "why should I listen to that when I can listen to this" as a reason to never buy any "jazz" album after 1969. But all I am saying is there are plenty of "real jazz musicians" currently touring and recording "real jazz" rooted in the blues. More examples since you brought up Grant Green who I think is awesome - my Grant Green collection of him as a leader is over 30 now - with over 30 as a sideman, just listen to this current "real jazz" guitarist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTWraoBYNs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMoxOqtjOlY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf64LcCFM9I And its as simple as that: (pun intended) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grNQcjMOf5U |
O-10, I got this, https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4348/m2/1/high_res_d/dissertation.pdf Layman terms, He was A BAD MOFO. |
Why would I listen to that when I can listen to this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fFy5G5WMU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaFDFP7m_E BTW I had that exact same suit Grant Green is wearing. This album was recorded in 1963, and I recall buying that suit in 62 as close as I can remember; we probably bought them at the same store. |
To my ears, this is mostly chaos, with the brilliant sound of "Trane's horn" thrown in occasionally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64BhIj_30w4 |
