Jazz for aficionados

There are occasional times when only this record will do:

https://youtu.be/j-9AoEGOYZo

https://youtu.be/9yVBhdPuC8k

https://youtu.be/wbZPhLrEpxA

Plenty of room for every  thing( except rock) ,I listen to Folk Music on Saturday .
That's where a lot music started and if you can get past the beat there is often centuries of nuance awaiting you . People like Bartok ,Kodaly and others taught me that .
I'll wager August will show up if its Barnes and Noble .I've been told that Seattle and Twin Cities are where it sells best . Might not be so, whatever .

Schubert,

Could not get the Gramophone magazine with the Wynton article.  They did have the Sept issue with the always Gawjus Sophie-Mutter on the cover.   Not her front, just her back, which is just fine.

Inspired me to renew my subscriptions to Gramophone and BBC Music magazines.   I think I will get back into Classical.

The players are a lot better looking than the Jazz crowd. (more women)   Nicer also.   Seldom is heard a discouraging word.

I should be able to order the August issue.

Cheers

One of the great drummers we tend to forget .
I was blessed in sitting for a hour while he practiced with a gifted young pianist who had just graduated from college and made a few small nervous
mistakes .
Joe was as sweet and helpful to her as if she was his child .
https://youtu.be/EbR8G6YNuUM?t=5

Here's one from Art Pepper's "Blues For The Fisherman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTnYDDYu4E

acman3,
Doug Watkins is a great bass player. Every time I think of Watkins I hear Art Blakey’s intro of the band live at Café Bohemia.

Quoting Art word for word:

 "On the bass all the way from motor city ladies and gentlemen, one of the youngest and finest bass players in the business today, Our Bassist Doug Watkins!...Doug Watkins!

orpheus10,
I'm glad you liked the "Unreleased Art". There are 10 volumes and some of them have multiple discs "Blues For The Fisherman" has 4 discs and all 4 are outstanding. 

There is another 6 volume series titled "West Coast Sessions" with many great musicians on them including Sonny Stitt, Shelly Manne, and Jack Sheldon to name a few.

frogman,
Although unawares until today that Cannonball and Stan had recorded with string orchestra's, Being an Art Pepper completist I have his session with a string orchestra its called "Winter Moon" and it is a really good session. This song off of Winter Moon is another that he wrote for Laurie Pepper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWLacnTFK1o

Don't remember if we played Doug Watkins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3NYIgM-pBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF3t14zwthU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJwKQvGnzis

Btw, we were working through a Lennie Niehaus book,"Jazz Conception for the Sax". It was a lot of fun for me, but not my dogs and cats. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-MVbN5kNLo

Schubert, I told this story, but whatever, we go in circles.

A Sax teacher I knew 25 years ago, said at North Texas they made the classical player and Jazz players take the same bands. He said you could really hear the Jazz players individualism when playing in Concert Band, but the Concert band players, though more perfect sounding, could not improvise like the Jazz players.

Frogman, the voices worked for me; "I can imagine a couple speeding along a narrow mountain road in their Citroen. Getz, as usual, kills on this:" I'm with you on that.

I recall a white Citroen in the movie "Diva" that would fit the bill.

Pjw, I really liked that "Art Pepper Unrealeased". All of those musicians sounded like they should have been famous, but the only one I knew was Art.

I was in LA club hopping about the time this was recorded, and I heard a lot of artists who sounded like they should have been famous. I discovered there's a big reason for that, they didn't have to leave LA in order to make a good living, and in order to be famous as a jazz musician, you had to hit the road.

That album is on order.

I love that kind of stuff frogman . I know personally that a lot of classical players love jazz and vice-versa . Like if both of you went to Indiana you both went to same classes etc. Even more so in Europe .

Which is why I’ve made most of my posts from Germany where I still know a little about the scene .

I read an interview of one the most up-coming  younger classical violinists , a Chinese lady, recently .
At 14 she turned down a full ride at both Julliard and Curtis for the German offer where everyone is trained as a chamber music artist and you are moved about from year to year to different schools .

At 14 she said this,"The Americans want to make me a soloist but the Germans want to make me a musician " .

Acman, that was different, and I liked the title.

The last time I was in Chicago, I stayed at the Holiday Inn on North Shore Drive, where Ahmad was appearing; he was fantastic as usual. I didn't even go to the Southside, didn't feel like crying.

No that was not the "stereotypical" Toot, Toot; keep em coming.

No Toot,Toot. Put on your dancing shoes O-10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMQ4WOGoMdQ

Here’s another one with Getz that is very interesting, if very stylized. The use of voices along with orchestra is a bit of an acquired taste for some. Composed and arranged by Michel Legrand. For me, it is very evocative of the sound of French film scores from the 1960’s or so. I can imagine a couple speeding along a narrow mountain road in their Citroen. Getz, as usual, kills on this:

https://youtu.be/2pQEsJGmXYk

frogman,
That Getz with orchestra is another session I was not aware of. More magical music. Back to Amazon......

Glad you liked it; it’s a good one.  Here’s another favorite.  Interesting and adventurous orchestrations from the great Eddie Sauter featuring Stan Getz:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfOleD7-7Oj90W890D0puroQgM7yTR-0P

frogman,
I was not even aware Cannonball had a session recording with strings. listened to both songs you posted and I disagree with you assessment that its not as magical as Clifford with strings.

To my ears they are both equally magical one displaying magical talent on sax, the other on trumpet. I am logging on to Amazon now to see if I can buy that Cannonball disc.

pjw, great stuff. Clifford with Strings is a classic. Not quite with the level of magic on Clifford’s, but here’s another one that I enjoy. Bill Russo arrangements:

https://youtu.be/TF6HIL4W6V8

https://youtu.be/BGEUjSt1JBw

Tony Williams: where to begin?

Schubert, Ralph Burns was fabulous and is one of the great orchestrators that was part of the genre “spill over” that I referred to.   You may find this of interest.

http://jazzprofiles.blogspot.com/2018/04/ralph-burns-fine-art-of-jazz.html

acman3,

I almost missed upthread your posting of Art Pepper’s "Mucho Calor"


As you may know by now I am an Art Pepper completist. Do you have any of the newer live series released by Art’s wife Laurie. They are called "Unreleased Art" and released under her "Widows Taste" label.

Here is one Art wrote for Lauri that knocks it out of the park:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdBAfzYiz2E

Laurie Pepper:
http://straightlife.info/widowstaste.html

keegiam,

Tony Williams was a virtuoso. He left us too soon. This Kenny Dorham session, with Tony Williams on drums, is one of my "go to often" discs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDETNk20Vkc&t=16s

acman3 & frogman,

This is one of my favorite improvisations over an orchestra as well.

Clifford Brown with Strings and the Ogerman/Brecker Discs I always play them back to back. I notice some subtle similarities in the soloing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Aww9lWwYlY&list=PLUJ7V33M1wR3JLVPbCEBiR3_1PNP7zaOT

Clifford's leaving of this place so young was a tragedy. His brief stay here gave us all the pleasure of hearing a truly great virtuoso and lyricist on the trumpet, that IMHO, no one  has ever equaled.

<< The best Jazz drummers, you hardly know they are there. >>
Tony Williams.  Just sit and listen.  If you can focus on sax or trumpet, you can focus on drums.  Williams was the best.

I'll buy them , thanks .It took me a long time to find one Ralph Burns arranged the songs I love best for/ from  Carmen .
.

The only two that I am aware of that come close to being comprehensive:

https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/95rxk4bt9780252040405.html

In a different genre, but some spill over:

https://www.amazon.com/Sound-Broadway-Music-Orchestrators-Orchestrations/dp/0199790841/ref=nodl_

Is there such a thing as a book(s) on who arranged /orchestrated  what for
whom ?

I deleted my post.   Felt bad about it.   After all, no one has appointed me Chief of Jazz police.   And they sure aren't paying me for the job.

Plus, there is also the matter of my last several posts being Gospel/Spirituals.

Apologies to pjw.

Cheers

nsp, I’ll take that as a compliment 🤔; and I feel the same way you do about Ayler.

Nice, indeed! The amazing Michael Brecker, composition/orchestrations by the great Claus Ogerman who graced the recordings of none other than Oscar Peterson, Billie Holiday, Bill Evans, A C Jobim, George Benson, Wynton Kelly, Freddie Hubbard, Cal Tjader, Jimmy Smith, Johnny Hodges, Stanley Turrentine and countless others. Our esteemed Schubert recently pointed out the shame that is the lack of appreciation among “Aficionados” for the great arrangers/orchestrators. Btw, I don’t recall anyone here, or anywhere, calling Cityscape “Jazz”.  Once again, the pitfall of pointless attempts at strict genre definitions. Some notable work:

https://youtu.be/qA4BXkF8Dfo

https://youtu.be/FnSsnVeguZA

https://youtu.be/G1QjyskJ9jw

https://youtu.be/wgssRuMfF5E

Pjw, nice record. Haven't listened in a long time. I will tonight.  Thanks!

Schubert:

I think you be right.   Very insightful.

Cheers

That's a hard one rok.
I would say the the Guys would win if God was the judge and the Golden's would if was a "Downbeat " review .

Great Peterson March Post nsp .

Almost had this old warhorse marching around my living room .I could see him making time for a whole division !

HUSH!!:

And the winner is:   The Guys in Yugoslavia.   Too bad about the sound quality.

Cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmizIRB_d8

Thanks Schubert,

I will surely get it, if this Barnes and noble has it.

Cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0SVl8OwCA8

To all those who read the recent discussions on Wynton Marsallis’s future effect on Jazz on here.

I made my monthly pilgrimage today to Barnes and Noble to pick up "Gramophone" , established in 1923 and the Bible of Classical Music( I buy Jazz times too ) . On the cover it said "Nicola Benedetti records Wynton Marsalis’s music" ).

Despite her name ,Benedetti was born and raised in Scotland and is Scottish to the core . So much so she took a year off as one of the most wanted jetset classical violinist in the world to master the fiddle rep. of Scottish folk music.
. An heroic act because the fingering etc is far different .

She is THE greatest exponent of genre blending in the Classical world and the most dedicated to educational outreach .
She has recorded Wynston’s Violin Concerto ," Fiddle Dance Suite"
with the great Philadelphia Orchestra / Cristian Macelaru Decca 485 0013DH

The magazine devoted 4 pages of thought between her and Wynston . a lot along the lines discussed here at times (unusual) . Review is long and deep, ends with "Honestly , its hard to believe its written down at all ."
And these reviews are the most respected in the world .Its the August edition as American edition is always a month late.


Seems worth 12 bucks to anyone interested in Wynton to me .

Glad to see that Ralph Peterson is being mentioned  and posted I think Schubert posted him first. One of my favorite drummers who has carved himself out a great career as a leader and also a sideman. He just put out a tribute album to Art Blakey. It's Ralph Peterson and the messenger Legacy it's up on YouTube I'm going to try to post it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcyEJdIpaLQ

Claus Ogerman and Michael Brecker "Cityscape"

Songs in order as they appear on my disc:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfHZrugDhUU

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfHZrugDhUU

3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejw7sL5LXSI

4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm5rvlmEskI

5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbC3co9h49w

6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEeYXu9AaPE