"I wouldn’t be that hard on rok..." pjw, I must agree with schubi on this matter. All could be just a role from rok's side. An actor's part in a play. We all do that sometimes, more or less, in different plays of course. Set role aside for a while and you get a person. Among just the two of us, (;--)) I am sure he has nice sides. https://youtu.be/JtJDEb4WHAU |
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Rok likes his Jazz. I like Jazz. I like Rok.
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True alex but there is no CITY in Italy as clean and safe as Vienna .And people are friendly as well.
Though Berlin is my love , I wouldn’t argue with UN on this one .
81563 , I wouldn’t be that hard on rok, I don’t know if he went to West Point ,but even if he did not , he has that outlook . It’s very hard to get away from the
indoctrination given to create a warrior mind .
I don’t know if I could have if I had not graduated from university after a war instead of before it . And Vietnam was so stupid nobody with any intelligence could buy it .
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Loved that live clip with Dizzy and Stitt, pjw. Swinging their a&&es off as they say. Thanks! And the audio quality really IS good. Too good? Did anybody catch what Gus Johnson says at 3:09? He and Ray Brown kept looking to their left. I wonder who she was? 😘
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Schubert, if you dont mind me (sort of) answering, I would choose Italy, for a country to live. Austria is certainly beautiful as well, but I would say that Italians are litlle bit more relaxed and open toward other people (I should not generalize, but still...)
Paul, or others, if you ever decide to visit this part of the world, let me know, would be glad to show you around.
Today, with booking com or arbnb platform its quite easy and cheap to find stay almost anywhere and transport is not a big cost either
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mary jo,
There is no way o10 and rok are the same person.
Orpheus10 strikes me as a very sensitive and intellectual man who displays empathy towards others.
rok is a condescending and arrogant bigot who's posts display a pattern of narcissism.
There is no way rok could write the type of posts Orpheus does.
My description of rok may look abrasive but it is not as the following definitions attest to:
narcissism - selfishness, involving a sense of entitlement, a lack of empathy, and a need for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.
Bigot - a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
condescending - having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority.
arrogant - having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities
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schubert https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/09/04/vienna-remains-the-worlds-most-liveable-cityFrom the same article: "On the EIU’s index, which ranks 140 cities on 30 factors bunched into five categories—stability, health care, culture and environment, education and infrastructure—Vienna scores a near-perfect 99.1 out of 100, putting it just ahead of Melbourne." Vienna offers so many opportunities and on top of that looks absolutely gorgeous. I could easily picture myself living there. That’s nice Dizzy/Sonny clip pjw... |
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mary jo.
UN keeps rating Wien as most livable city in the world , I know you model's are very busy but what do you think?
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Pity, I do not have quite many memories like that...but since my job often brings me to Vienna (Wien) in Austria, I have visited there Schubert’s Geburtshaus (the house where he was born) and a house where Mozart used to live (he lived on several addresses in Wien). At the places like that you should not touch anything, I mean, you can watch it but it is not allowed to touch it... I could not resist no to lay my hand on the famous piano and was moving slowly with the hand over it’s top, while walking forward...like kids do. Felt good. https://youtu.be/_mVW8tgGY_wp.s. O-10 and Rok are missing. I wonder if those two are actually one person. (?) *.* :--) |
pjw, your account of the pilgrimage was very moving .Thank you !
The only one I ever made was to Schubert’s grave in the Central Cemetery in Vienna , doubled when I saw Brahms lay next to him and Mahler few meters around the corner .
As my wife and I were standing there in prayer, two Japanese couples showed up . The two men had huge amounts of flowers on in their arms which they put on, with heads bowed, on Schubert’s grave .
. Then after five minutes or so, one of the men prostated himself on Schubert’s grave and cried like a baby .Unique day!
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pryso, good catch. Corea recorded Children’s Song #1 on two other occasions. Once with Gary Burton on a record called “Crystal Silence” and a group version on the classic record “Light As a Feather”. Perhaps that is were you heard the song previously. Then again, perhaps you have heard Bela Bartok’s “Mikrocosmos” series of piano pieces (intended for beginner pianists). Corea is a big admirer of Bartok and Mikrocosmos were the inspiration for his “Children’s Songs”. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_f196xWR6LEhttps://youtu.be/kdWWKywse5ghttps://youtu.be/0lgB_uqFCrI |
Yes , I did , how in the hell she can play like that with her eyes closed God only knows . Incredible is the word all right .
frogman , the "New Yorker" is the best jazz album I ever heard . All 4 hit the right tone , rhythm , and style for each and every song to perfection . Talk about "something to say" , they wrote a book!
Don’t tell me how Stitt makes a tone within a tone , one sunny and one cloudy, I want to write it down as a miracle .
Hope my main man in Berlin can get me it in vinyl .
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Did somebody mention Hiromi?
I saw her live twice at the Blue Note in NYC. She is simply an incredibly talented piano player/composer/arranger. She plays with a lot of energy and enthusiasm.
I own every album she has put out.
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I listened to Coltrane’s "Blue World" last night in its entirety and it is another great "find" the music is fabulous. |
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schubert
Hiromi- what can I say an amazing talen!! I have mostly heard her in a Funky Jazz context and so was blown away by the cut you posted.
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pjw
I know from reading about John Coltrane that he was a spiritual man. It is very obvious in his playing which seems to come from a higher power.I have It reversed regarding Coltrane and Rollins. This is not a ranking of their talents but at this point in my life I much prefer Sonny Rollins over Coltrane but greatly admire both.The cuts posted by acman 3 were all good especially the contribution of McCoy Tyner . But it seem like I recognize these songs from previous albums. Was there anything new on this latest Coltrane release?
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If you have not seen this concert already, you should.Live and in color, so many famous players. The year is apperently 1972. not 1971 as stated. https://youtu.be/fZNC7sZS6qI |
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frog, I had a problem loading YouTube links for awhile, so I was late listening to your Corea's Children's Songs post. Do you know of anything else similar to #1? It sounded familiar but I can't place it.
It wouldn't be out of place in a French film soundtrack. ;^)
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https://youtu.be/yR0nNf5NyKk?t=3Couldn’t find Stitt and Evans , did find Sonny with Bud Powell and JJ at their peak . To my ears they play together better and with more soul . But , just old ears of only a listener on much harder stuff . |
Well , Getz is good but the Bosendorfer is great ! lol
Re: Becker , every one who ever lived stands on the shoulders of others , some a bit taller than others. but still standing .
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Great account of your pilgrimages to Coltrane’s home, pjw. I was there just once about twenty five years ago and it really was a moving experience. Re Brecker: No doubt one of the very greatest tenor players. My contention, and I’m far from alone, is that he was the greatest saxophone virtuoso that ever lived. He could do things on the instrument that no one has been able to do; and with a level of control and finesse that wasn’t pretty incredible. Not to take anything away from my “beloved Brecker”, but I think it’s fair to say that had there been no Coltrane there would have been no Brecker; at least not as we know him today. Generally regarded as the greatest of the “post-Coltrane” tenor players he built upon what Coltrane did. One of the reasons that Coltrane stands above all others. Coltrane’s MUSIC MAKING was on a level that reached the spiritual. Amazing artist. Mary_jo’s clips are a good example. You may find this interview interesting with Brecker talking about Coltrane: https://youtu.be/rK5OOmNajOI |
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I am quite fond of Polarity by the Hoff Ensemble on 2L recordings. it is an incredibly fine recording, and the music is creative, aurally and intellectually enticing. |
mary jo,
those Coltrane cuts are beautiful. Spiritual is a favorite of mine. I was at the house today and put another rock on his tombstone. There are many rocks on his tombstone every time I go...... |
frogman, This, believe it or not, is one of my favorite Sonny Rollins songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hHXhnKEmpM
Its another piano - less recording with Jimmy Garrison on bass, Elvin Jones on drums, and Freddie Hubbard on the trumpet. Sonny (and Freddie a few times), plays that BA DE BA DA BE BA BE BA throughout and Jimmy Garrison and Elvin Jones are just a wrecking crew!! I play it loud on my system and it just moves me..... |
schubi, we are two predictable ones and we feel good about it! Besides, magnificent melodies have both, predictable and unpredictable parts. |
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I have off today and I am going to make another pilgrimage to the John Coltrane house in Dix Hills. Will also go to his gravesite which is 10 minutes from the house. Sometimes I sit and look up at the gable over the garage where he locked himself in the room up there for five days and wrote A Love Supreme. I just sit and meditate. I walk around the house at least a half dozen times to see if there is anything I missed the last time I was there..... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/09/arts/09arts1/merlin_144987063_ff989f09-48d2-4242-98b8-260...While my pilgrimage is just a 40 minute drive I wonder how many fans visit the house from all over the world. |
acman3,
Thanks for the clips of the new Coltrane album. I had already ordered it and it should be here today.
Your posts made me all the more happy I purchased it. : )
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frogman,
I agree 100% I would put Coltrane just a wee bit ahead of Rollins.
But what about your beloved Michael Brecker? I must admit I have been listening a lot more to my Brecker discs over the past few months since reading your praise of his improvisational skills and I would put him in the top 5 tenor players of all time.
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Btw, “What Is This Thing Called Love” and “Woodyn’ You” are from the afternoon set with Donald Bailey and Pete LaRoca. “I Can’t Get Started” is from the evening set with Wilbur Ware and Elvin Jones.
It should be noted that the first of acman3’s great clips of the new Coltrane release is a tribute to Rollins, “Like Sonny”. When all is said and done, probably the two greatest tenor players.
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frogman,
Thanks for the links. Love Sonny.
One of the first jazz discs I purchased was the 1957 2 disc set live at the Village Vanguard which is also a piano - less trio. the bass player were Wilbur Ware or Donald Baily and on drums were either Pete La Roca or Elvin Jones.
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Sure is, everything in the world is becoming more and more less .
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Hi Schubert - I was referring not to musical styles but to styles of horn playing. Sound concepts, equipment played on, etc. The New York horn players in the not very distant past had a very distinctive style - players like John Barrows, Gunther Schuller, who has recently been mentioned on this thread, Julie Landsman, Phil Meyers, etc. They all played the same make of instrument. They of course had their own individual sound and style, but all very easily identified as New York as soon as you heard them start playing. All of these types of regional differences, both here in the US and all over the world, are fast disappearing nowadays, and this is a sad thing in my opinion. |
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