While not wishing to be contrary, "all great music springs from social conditions" must be challenged! Bach's, for one, didn't. It sprung from his genius, and deep religious faith, neither of which do I consider a social condition. |
Of course J.S.'s music was greatly influenced by his family environment, academic education, and faith, but are those considered "social conditions"? That's a rather broad definition---might as well say it springs from being alive! It also minimizes and trivializes the role the individual plays in the creation of his music. There are instances of two different people having very similar backgrounds, having grown up in the same neighborhood, gone to the same school, church, etc, whose music's are very different from one another's. Sure environment influences a musician's creations, but his music springs from his need to create, above all. Perhaps it's just semantics, ay?
One artist who sang not only Jazz, but also Jump Blues and Rock n' Roll, was Big Joe Turner. He's my favorite Blues shouter of them all, whom I feel fortunate to have seen/heard live in the 90's, backed by The Blasters. In the band at the time was Lee Allen, sax player on many classic recordings by Little Richard, Fats Domino, and many other early Rock n' Rollers. Fantastic show! |
Born in Indonesia=not so much love of Bach? I can in no way relate to Asian music (it's scales sounding "foreign" to me is definitely a result of cultural, if not societal, conditioning), but the guys at Sony sure like Beethoven! Being able to fit the playing time of his 9th Symphony onto a single disc played a role in the development of the Redbook CD. |
I too love the CD, Rok2id. Can you imagine having to suffer through listening to a long piece spread over multiple 78's?! When I was young and still living with the parents, I would fall asleep every night with Koss Pro-4AA phones on my head, waking up with the sound of the Shure M91e cartridge in my AR arm thump, thump, thumping away, bouncing off the LP's paper label. Now I put a CD in the drawer, and no worries. No more sweaty, sore ears, either! |
Great points frogman. Dave Tough was a big band drummer who was adored by bandleaders and fellow musicians for his ability to make a band swing harder than any other drummer around, but whose ability to play a solo was rather limited. Some musicians, in their pursuit of technical prowess, lose sight of the ultimate object, the big picture---making great music. The legendary guitarist Danny Gatton had just hired a new drummer, and after their first set on a live gig, had a talk with him. Danny said to the drummer "You know that fancy sh*t you play? Don't." Jazz is a music that requires and benefits from players possessing advanced technical ability, and by the late 1960's that ability was becoming more valued amongst Rock players as well. My peers and I had become quite enamored by drummers Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix), Ginger Baker (Cream), and Carmen Appice (Vanilla Fudge), all players with Jazz-level chops. But pure technique for it's own sake was not universally admired or valued. In 1969 I saw The New Buffalo (led by the sole remaining member of The Buffalo Springfield, drummer Dewey Martin) live, and as they played their first few songs I found myself mystified. None of the four band members were playing anything particularly noteworthy (no pun intended ;-), but the band sounded SOOO good. I suddenly, in a flash, came to understand the principle of ensemble playing. Playing for the greater good of the whole---the band, and the song, rather than to simply display technical prowess. |
I Want To Live is a GREAT movie! A Top 10 Noir for sure. |
Shelly Mann, a very musical drummer. Has anyone mentioned Earl Palmer? Though known as the creator of Rock 'n' Roll drumming (Little Richard, etc.) and an L.A. studio player, he was at heart a New Orleans Jazz drummer. |
Amen, Orpheus. Ry Cooder is in my Top 10 guitarists of all-time list, and I know a lot of musicians---guitarists or otherwise---who feel the same. |
Another guitarist infamous amongst his peers is the late Danny Gatton. He played Jazz, Hillbilly, Blues, Rockabilly, you name it. Vince Gill nicknamed him "The Humbler". An astounding talent who decided to leave this world ahead of schedule. His good friend and sometimes bandmate Evan Johns told me it was because of his nagging wife, who would not stop badgering him about his lack of professional ambition. Danny wanted to stay close to home---the Virginia/Washington DC area---play local gigs, and work on his vintage Hot Rods, his other passion. There is a 2-CD compilation album of his Warner Brothers releases, plus a bunch of Indi stuff also on CD. |
Ry Cooder is great not only as a guitarist/frontman/bandleader/singer (of a "certain" sort ;-), but also as a sideman. When John Hiatt was preparing to record his Bring The Family album, the record’s producer invited him to choose the players for the album---his "dream" band. He chose Ry, Nick Lowe, and Jim Keltner, on guitar, electric bass, and drums, respectively. Ry’s playing is fantastic throughout, but his short solo on "Lipstick Sunset" is absolutely stellar---one of my perhaps three favorites of all time. That line-up later made an album under a collective band name---Little Village, but the album is not so hot (why that is so is a story for a different time). I was fortunate enough to see and hear Little Village live, and when Ry played that solo in "Lipstick Sunset", it felt as if time had stopped. It is the single greatest musical experience of my life; I had an out-of-body experience, the only other time being upon hearing J.S. Bach’s Concerto For 4 Harpsichords and Orchestra for the first time. Ry is a fanatic about the tone and timbre of his guitars, and when in the late 70’s he heard about a new recording system---digital---he arranged to do his next album---Bop ’Til You Drop---in that format. The resulting recorded sound quality not just disappointed him, but actually displeased him. When years later he heard a Water Lily label album, recorded by the great Kavi Alexander on his custom made tube reel-to-reel (electronics by Tim de Paravicini of EAR-Yoshino), he asked "Why don’t my records sound this good?". He ended up doing an album for Water Lily, the Grammy-winning A Meeting By The River. In the early 70’s Ry did an interview for Rolling Stone magazine, in which he told the story about working with the Rolling Stones. Brian Jones had just died, and they were working on their next album. They hired Ry to come over and play guitar in the studio. Ry came in every day, and Mick had him play along with the backing tracks they had already gotten on tape, recording him as he did. He found it odd that Keith was never there. One day Ry showed up unscheduled, and found Keith playing along to the tapes, trying to learn Ry’s parts. Ry packed his bags and flew back home. That was the end of my respect for The Stones and Keith, and their credibility with myself and the musicians I do respect. |
frogman, it’s great to hear about Country music fans (such as your wife) liking the "real" stuff, not what’s being pushed by Nashville. John Hiatt isn’t marketed as a Country artist (more as a singer/songwriter), but he is more country than what’s on the radio. He’s a major player in what is called "Americana"---roots musics ("Hard" Country, Hillbilly, Bluegrass, Blues) that operate on an underground, cult audience level. Other members include Lucinda Williams, Buddy Miller (another singer as good as Hiatt---and you’re SO right, John is a great, very soulful singer. Excellent songwriter too!), Jim Lauderdale, Marty Stuart, Steve Earle, Del McCoury, Alison Krauss, Iris Dement, Rhonda Vincent, Emmylou Harris, Rodney Crowell, Jann Browne, Carlene Carter (June’s daughter), Rosanne Cash, Rosie Flores, Jason Isbell, Patty Loveless, Gillian Welch, and hundreds of others. That’s where the best Pop (non-Classical) music being made today is, imo. Americana music is covered in a great publication called No Depression. It use to be a print magazine, but is now a website. |
Damn, what a fine, fine post, frogman. |
Oh man, schubert....what a trio! I played with a black woman from East Palo Alto (across the "tracks" from Stanford University) in the 1970's. We did some Etta James songs, including the fantastic "Mama, He treats Your Daughter Mean". SO great! |
Oops, that was Ruth Brown! We did some Etta too, like "Tell Mama". The Blues has a lotta "mama" in it’s lyrics ;-). |