Jadis Orchestra Reference SE and DA-50 Integrateds

I've owned the JOR for 3 yrs now and am happy with it, for the most part.
System is JOR/Cayin 17/Seas Thor's.
So as you can see my digital and speakers both match the Jadis in terms of quality.
The Jadis is abit bass shy, but then consider the Thors are a 4 ohm speaker!!! This little Jadis (weighs in at about 40 lbs I believe) is driving 2 6 inch woofers each cabinet + thirsty Seas tweet.
Thats 6 drivers in all with a big xover.
And yet the Jadis does a good job.
The thing about the Jadis is very low fatigue level, none actually. I can listen to trhe Jadis all day long and not once feel its time to shut it down.
I have had my eye on the JA60/used, but I think if I get some $'s it'll be the Cayin 500, with those beautiful looking U29 tubes.

I believe Jadis just came out with another beautiful intergrated, correct?
Need to go to the site to look it up. Out this summer I believe.

The Jadis DA88 I"m refering to. . Quite a beauty. But price?
Guessing $8K.
Let me reafirm the Jadis Orch Refer is fine buy at the price, $2100.
Though obviously as stated Trejla, as you go up, DA30, DA60, DA88, now you are getting into fine music reproduction.
But I have no complaints with the Orch Refer.

Trejla
I'm just now taking a closer look at your post.
Highly interesting and spot on.
My Jadis Orch does produce quite a bit of sound volume. That is drives these 4 ohm Thors more than enough to fill this large size cathdreal ceiling room. More than sufficient. I usually listen in fact at 1/3 the volume.
But I want that bottom heavy beefy sound as you call it. Rich/liquid.
I've been told the DA30 does just that. But would love to hear your comparison on the DA30 and your DA60.
Look forward to your follow ups.
Once again I'd like to confirm Trejla's comment that the Orch Refer delivers big enough sound to satisfy most any audiophile. With matching speakers of course.
Notice one thing on Audiogon, very few Jadis up for sale. When folks buy them, they stay in the family for a very long time.
IOW if I upgrade to a Cayin, I doubt if I'll sell the Orch, and keep it as a second bedroom system.
One kinda falls in love with a Jadis.
However if I did it all over again and had known about the Cayin 3 yrs ago, I'd bought a Cayin 788 or something else. For $3K+ I can get the Cayin 500 shipped from france. Jadis can't touch that in terms of price nor sound even close to that price.
IOW comparing the DA60 @ $6K vs the cayin 500 @ $3500, I'm quite sure I'd walk with the Cayin.
A french Cayin dealer over the phone confirmed my hunch.
However its a experiment neither of us will do..
Cayin IMHO is the much better deal. At least in terms of better power and maybe only a slight sacrifice in quality/fatigue level.
Or am I wrong here?
Thoughts?

"Bartok are you in france?"
Hi Joe
No I live i n Baton Rouge. Recently displaced by hurricane Katrina, lived in Lakeview, was at home during the storm. My stereo/cds were saved, unlike many others who evacuated w/o knowing the consequences.
I bought the Jadis from the US dealer, came with KT90's, Richard Grey told me, "mighty fine tubes, do not go with others". So not sure if I really want/need the KT88's.
The thing with the JOR is that lack of "punch" you refer to that the DA60 has in ample supply, the DA30 as well.
However I really was impressed with a friend's Cayin 300, and since then I have bought 2 Cayin Tube cdp's. Both fine output.
The Cayin 500 is in a class above most Cayin's. One can see from the photio those U29's are pretty amazing looking tubes.
So I managed to call a dealer in france. And from a short chat with him, I do not speak french, he spoke fair english, he had only the highest praise for the 500. He wanted me to understand one descriptive, "imaginique" How the music has a clear imaginable image in production, depths of reality I guess he wanted to express..
Now I guess the DA60 produces extra-ordinary sound reproduction as well. This I have no boubts.
I might be able to ship a 500 MK for $3600.
The DA60 runs about $6K.
I'd really hate to comapare the 2 in a test, as I'd want both.
Most likely I'll go with the Cayin, 1-2 yrs from now.
I'm expecting the 500 to delieve some heft, she weighs in at about $80 lbs.
The DA60 goes heaviey than that I believe.
The DA60 is not easy to get out my mind.
"a last amp" for sure.
Which tubes are best with the DA60?
Paul

Joe
Though I don't like to change out tubes, cause as you know there is a trade off.
However you do may the comment in the "coldness" of the JOR with the KT90's. Now folks reading this may not understand that the JOR with the KT90's is a very nice sound, I just rated it 9 in the mids on another topic.
But the coldness is undeniably there. Since I listen to all classical, with little need for extentions in the highs/lows, I may be very interesed in getting the KT88's. A tube that Richard did highly praise for its unique characterists, as you explain. That day at my home, he praised the KT90's and the KT88's for their qualities.
Can you tell me if the mids will have that same detail on the 88's that I now have on the 90's.
I don't want a muddled mid image, but would like atad more warmth.
Am I clear?
btw whats a set of 88's gonna run me.
I need to get back to New Orleans and ck up on Richard's shop on Jefferson Hwy. Last time I talked to him was just before the storm, we talked about retubing my Cayin 17 with 4 high quality tubes vs the stock tubes.
Although not all of Metairie flooded, his area I believe was flooded. His TV repair shop was across from Ochner hospital. The front door was street level so I'm sure it was bad. Yes I know, STREET LEVEL, many houses in greater new orleans were built STREET LEVEL.
All of lakeview/most of new orleans is a ghost town, With only chat of rebuilding houses. But so far lakeview/gentilly remains as it was the day Katrina hit, with some houses gutted, many are not.
Do you have a contact # for Richard?
Paul

Just gor off the phone with Richard Grey, he is doing OK. Richard rode the storm out at his house uptown new orleans, off Carrollton.
His house had damage from a fallen tree and his business had very little damage. I was very gald this great guy made out all right.

Joe which KT88's are you refering to?
Price?
I really don't want to spend over say...$50/tube.
Paul

Joe, I'm sold on the EL34's. Can you provide a link or know of a seller that can help me?
Email me if you care.
Also can you help me out with replacing the 4 6992's in my Cayin 17 cdp.
I'm really looking forward to the EL34's.
Should be just the thing for reproducing my classical music.