Is there a ROON sound?


I finally had to give in and open a ROON account. I bought the highly recommended 432 EVO Aeon server, but it only works with ROON (as an endpoint) or the Logitech Media Server. The latter seemed a bit awkward to get going, so I started a ROON account (so far for a year). The server offers a plethora of filter and up-sampling choices, let alone the unique ability to change the orchestral pitch to 432 Hz down from the now common 440Hz (the way Mozart or even Verdi heard their music before 440 became the common recording standard for sounding "crisper"). [I have tried this option several times but was underwhelmed. But that's just my personal first take on the subject]

Up to now, I listened to most of my music either through Apple Music as ALAC files or Quobuz as FLAC; I also have a Native DSD library and another with YouTube downloads (FLAC as well). The latter go directly from my MacBook Air (M1 chip) to my MSB Discrete DAC, or through an Audirvana rinse cycle.

My first impression listening to the 432EVO/ROON combination on "Brothers in Arms" was like listening with lightly compressed cotton plugs in my ears. That was with the manufacturer-recommended upsampling rate and filter-choice. I could hardly understand any of Mark Knopfler's (admittedly mumbling) musings! I immediately switched back to my Apple Music version and at least heard things like "through the fields of destruction - baptism of fire" and other text bites. The overall presentation was sharper and more acoustically demanding, but with admittedly less-wide soundstage. I then switched back to the server/ROON combo and disabled all filters and upsampling, going into bit-perfect mode. But even then, the overall presentation, while admittedly more bass heavy and spacious, the singer's words were still hardly intelligible. I actually think that "Brothers in Arms" is a really good example to test for a component ability to shine light on sung or spoken words; another favorite example is Boz Scaggs' "Thanks to You", where the clearest presentation in my system comes from the LP (which is called "Dig"), followed by Quobuz.

I went back to the 2022 review of the Aeon server in Absolute Sound by Andrew Quint, where he extolls the sonic virtues of the instrument (but, like myself, did not like the lower pitch option). I trust that he could not detect the same flaws as I did, albeit streaming from ROON as well.

I understand that ROON emerged from the previous SONOS company. A good friend of ours was one of the first SONOS adopters some 30 years ago, but I never liked it in a musicality sense, especially the gooey bass. To me it always sounded like Musak. So, I might be a bit prejudiced here, because what I am hearing now from ROON is as "pleasing" as the old SONOS; kinda lounge character, but not really stirring or attention-grabbing.

So, I would like to hear the unvarnished truth from this illustrious audience, what their experience with ROON is in terms of musicality and neutral/natural presentation, especially if they can offer some kind of A/B comparison from their own listening experience. As I said, I have zero previous experience with ROON, and might just be a bit biased here.

 
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I understand that ROON emerged from the previous SONOS company. 

Incorrect, it was Sooloos. 

https://roon.app/en/about-us

Roon sounds just wonderful. To answer your question, yes Roon has a sound. But if you have an issue with the way a good streamer sounds, it is not Roon that is the problem. There are sound differences between all the apps on different streamers: Roon, Squeeze, JPlay, Aurender’s Conductor, Innuos’s sense apps, HQPlayer etc. but they are minor, about the same level as changing from one good cable to another, and should all sound "good". 

Has the streamer broken in yet? Yes they need to, just like any other component, usually a few hundred hours. 

I am curious why you chose this 432 Evo Aeon unit, did you listen to it at the dealer? Did it sound fine there? Did you contact the dealer regarding your lack-lustre sound? 

It should sound much better than your Macbook. If it doesn't ask your dealer why not, and if they can't figure it out return it for something that does. 

@ecat026 yes

The Conductor app sounds more transparent and resolving, but Roon sounds fuller with better mids. 

Swap your word "conductor" with "squeeze" and that is exactly what I hear, using a different streamer and converter, different speakers etc. I assume Conductor is a Squeeze derivative just as Sense is, so not surprising. 

IMO the finest reviewer going arrives at the same conclusion regarding the "Roon sound":

UPnP and Roon

When I first reviewed CH Precision audio components in 2018, a Melco UPnP server was also provided to stream directly to the CH DAC’s network input. Subsequently, I fell for both brands, which jump-started my current line of reference equipment. Between the Melco N1A/2 and N1ZH/2, I much preferred the latter, and it soon became my reference server, combined with the CH Precision C1 DAC and its built-in streaming endpoint. But at some point, I was lured in another direction by Roon’s superb interface and endless possibilities. The thing is, compared to UPnP, Squeeze, and MPD, Roon has a deviating sound. Full-bodied, smooth, and rich in tonality, but not quite as crisp, pure, and direct compared to the aforementioned alternative formats.

HFA Melco review