Is Rap a valid musical form?


This has been way more than the progression away from tubes to SS!

Believe the world of Hip Hop has been around and evolving for around 5 decades.

And for most of that time I have dismissed and avoided that world and its “music”.

So angry, offensive and abrasive. Just a bunch of rhythmic yelling.

I believe my former thread was titled “Why Rap?”.  Through that discussion and somewhat of an understanding that this must be a new art form that engages and entertains millions if not billions. That and a long standing belief that if a type of music or a particular artist attracts many, many fans there must be substance and quality there. Even if I personally don’t particularly like it there must be something there.

Rap and the Hip Hop world was always so foreign and culturally untouchable.

Then my Rap thread and several others at that time got me rethinking my perspective and I watched a video of a group of student performance musicians at Juilliard all exclaiming their fascination with a Rap artist named Kendrick Lemar and his “masterpiece” “To Pimp a Butterfly”. I bought the double LP. Trying to listen to it turned out to be difficult because of my old view of Rap and that of the world of Hip Hop. But it was also becoming clear that this was truly something of significant interest. However, I just listened to the two discs only once-with some difficulty.

Today, after several weeks, I hesitatingly pulled the album out again. And to my surprise and actually delight hearing it with fresh ears it grabbed me and would not let go. I immediately heard the brilliance of a multi faceted, and to me, all new experience in sound. Not unlike great 20th century or progressive Jazz it evolved from section to section with a plethora of fascinating, yes musical, experiences. Tonal, atonal, percussive, rhythmic, breathing combined with incredible, energetic tongue twisting strings of mostly unintelligible words. And not merely angry yelling.

Sure, a ton of F bombs but words that don’t flow over you like lovely other genres but invade the psyche and don’t let go. Not particularly pleasant but gripping and interesting in its complexity. Words delivered with such power and drive which acted as a rhythmic counterpoint. It was impossible to turn away or turn off. 
And speaking of turned off, the experience was the opposite of that. Stories of life undeniable human. Yes, driven by bitterness, anger and raw emotion. Impossible to  dismiss it as not deeply felt.

I do think “To Pimp a Butterfly” is unique. But I also believe that there must be much more in this Hip Hop world that has deep musical interest. Some time ago I heard Drake on SNL perform a song that was amazing though not really Rap. Rather an advanced and unconventional musical form. I hear similar musical threads throughout “Pimp”. I did get a CD of Drake. “Scorpion”. I also could not absorb it in my first listen. I look forward to the next, fresh listen. I did try to hear several YouTubes of some very successful Rap artists. They mostly lacked the interesting musical themes threaded through. “Pure Rap” with just the rhythmic words-not my cup of tea. But a musically valid form none the less.

 

 

mglik

....and then, there's just the satisfying sub-stuff stalking about the edges of rap  rhapsody, just because it's meant to played Loud.

Well, you are aware ... their are mort important thingamajigs to be concerned with @asvjerry, than being snowed in ... ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4

 

Of course it is. I think if I were to recommend a couple albums to someone making a genuine attempt to appreciate the genre, I’d go with these:

Reflection Eternal - Train of Thought(2000). This is a project Talib Kweli did with DJ Hi-Tek and is pretty palatable to folks who like melody and variety with tempo. He pays tribute to so many musicians who came before him in so many unique ways all over this album.

Nas & Damien Marley - Distant Relatives(2010) Nas is your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper. This album also has a few songs that are not rap, and the use of real instruments on some of it. The subject matter of the album, and the messages behind it actually puts this in my top 10 albums of all-time. There is just so much to unwrap, and has many lines that I only understood after I took a history of Africa course in college. Maybe pair this album with the book King Leopold’s Ghost to get a better grasp of the lyrics.

This list turned out to be not very "musical" and therefore not very listenable.

  • Slick Rick - The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick (Children's Story is a masterpiece)
  • NAS - Illmatic
  • Outkast - Stankonia
  • Beastie Boys - Licensed to Ill

The Kanye, Jay Z, Ludicrus, Missy Eliot, etc are full of musical themes and counterpoint rap that make them interesting.

"Without sounding like I am beating a dead horse, though, my only complaint with rap is of a musical nature. For the most part, it is too simple, poorly played, repetitive, musically trite for my tastes.

The problem I see, for my tastes, is if there ever was a subgenre of rap that fit my criteria for the music I like (high level of musicianship, complexity, nonrepetitive, deep and broad emotional and intellectual content, it would probably not even be identifiable as rap any longer."

No longer identifiable as Rap any longer? I do think the genre is pretty broad. Some cuts are actually sung!

IMHO - Rap sounds better with a philharmonic orchestra playing the music.

https://youtu.be/Uyc0Lnxf95M

That Hilltop Hoods album with the orchestra they did years ago was quite good, and yeah they cover more social issues than most other rappers do.
This Bliss n Eso song is a little more my scene though now.

@avsjerry - Born Slippy, Faithless and many others, I grew up to those tunes.