is McIntosh known for good dynamics?


I'm mainly a classical listener. I love good dynamics and dynamic resolution. For instance, in classical music there is a lot of musical expression that comes through subtle dynamic changes from one phrase to the next. There are also sudden louds, which the equipment should present as having startle impact. There are also sudden quiets, which should have a "compelling" sense to them.

I'm wondering if the McIntosh signature sound is known for good dynamics and microdynamics.

 

magon

what I call good dynamics are also realistic dynamics when comparing the sound with live classical music, which has the greatest micro and macro dynamics of all. 

@magon 

I’ve no problems with that but I would not use the word ’dynamic’ in its plural version, to avoid its common use when distortion is really what is being unknowingly discussed. 

If you had done the test I outlined then you would not have responded in the way you did. Your belief about SETs is just that. When you take away the distortion SETs make you take away their ’dynamics’. In a typical SET running no feedback, you really only have about 20-25% usable power before higher ordered harmonics are showing up on the leading edges of transients (where the power demands are). Most people use speakers that are far too inefficient to avoid this problem! For example if you have a 7 or 8 Watt SET (likely using a 300b) the speaker needs to be around 103dB at 1 Watt to really show off that amp. That’s a big horn speaker and most people don’t want them taking up the space. So you read online how such amps are so ’dynamic’. Keep in mind that such amps also make typically 10% distortion at full power.

If you get the opportunity to hear a PP tube amp of the same full power rating as the SET (IOW, leveling the playing field a bit by reducing variables) you find out really quickly that SETs have nothing over a properly designed PP amp. Usually when SETs and PP are compared, the class of operation (class A) is ignored along with the power tubes used, use of feedback and the total output power. If you eliminate these variables the advantage of SETs goes away completely using any metric that audiophiles use. But finding a PP amp that is low power, or class A, or uses the same power tubes all at once is nearly impossible.

So we have comparisons of 300bs or 2A3s running class A against KT88s that are running class AB with feedback.

In case its not clear I’ve been designing tube amps for a living for about 50 years.

I find good vinyl to be more realistic than most digital. The engineer might say "vinyl has more distortion, therefore you actually are liking the distortion." But I didn’t say I like vinyl, I said it’s more realistic. The engineer has no explanation for that.

This engineer does...

I ran a mastering operation for about 20 years. My setup (Scully lathe, Westerex 3d cutterhead with 1700 series electronics) employed a 30dB feedback loop around the cutterhead and mastering amplifiers. When you run that much feedback, the actual distortion is quite low and is certainly much lower than the digital community would have you believe. 

The simple fact is that most of the distortion comes in during playback, starting with a poor choice of platter pad (if the LP and platter are resonating all bets are off), problems with setup, problems the arm design and problems with the phono preamp. They are all solvable. The more they are solved, the more relaxed and musical the vinyl becomes.

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For several years I’ve been using Focal Sopra 2 Speakers driven with a Simaudio 700i integrated amp.  Last summer I upgraded to a Macintosh MA 9500 integrated amp using Cardis Clear Reflection Cables with an Esoteric K-03 XD SACD player. While the 700i has a lovely sweet and detailed sound when I switched to the MA 9500 the change in dynamics was instantly noticeable and much better. There simply was no comparison. I heard deep bass that I never heard before and the warmer Macintosh “House” Sound was far more suited for my Sopra 2 Speakers. 
I auditioned a Pass Labs 250 at the Dealer and I preferred the Macintosh with the Sopra 2.  The Pass Labs sounded similar to the Simaudio, which was not bad, actually very nice but the Focal/Macintosh combo was a match made in Audio Heaven.  The Focal Sopra 2 is a very efficient 98db speaker and the sheer power and dynamics of the MA 9500 made them come “Alive” in ways I never imagined. 
They sound more like the much larger Sopra 3 speakers. 

I didn’t put on material that had large macro changes so I don’t know about the macro. Does your idea about the distortion contributing to dynamic impressiveness apply to micro dynamic presentation as well?

@magon Yes. If the amplifier is generating higher ordered harmonics then the scale of the dynamic contrast isn’t important. The amp will simply contribute to it, making the presentation more ’dynamic’.

When the amplifier power is clean, you’ll find that there is a tendency to use more of it because the amp isn’t generating ’loudness cues’. So to get the sound pressure you’re looking for, you simply need more power. This is why so many SET users say things like ’8 Watts is plenty of power for me’. A sound pressure level meter will verify this.

The mark of the best systems is a relaxed presentation, even if the sound pressure is 95dB. It should not sound loud.

When it comes to SETs, unless that SET has feedback, the distinctive dynamic quality of the amp is entirely due to distortion. You’ve heard it- that is how insidious this is. You don’t hear any harshness (normally associated with higher ordered harmonics) but the additional distortion is there anyway, masked (masking is the ear’s principle where a louder sound makes it difficult or impossible to hear a quieter sound) by the lower ordered harmonics. If you turn up the volume high enough though, the SET will sound loud, even though its not making that much power.

This is a difficult thing to understand until you do that test I mentioned. At that point you really get that the ear has developed in the most efficient way possible. It has trouble gauging the sound pressure of a pure sine wave since they do not exist in nature. That is why it pays so much attention to the higher orders. Many designers didn’t understand this fact in the past, and created solid state amps that had considerably lower distortion than most tube amps, but because the higher ordered content, while low, was not masked, it caused those amps to sound bright. The ear of course assigns tonality to distortion in the same manner that allows you to distinguish musical instruments through their harmonic structure.

Put another way, most of the differences you hear between amplifiers is due to their distortion signature; its not frequency response. If you put the amp on the bench you find out its frequency response is flat, yet one amp sounds bright while the other does not. Since frequency response isn’t why, its easier to understand that distortion is the culprit.

I’ve not heard one of Boyk’s recordings in a long time.

My Mc611's have a low damping factor of 40 while the previous amps I was using were like 3000 so I expected terrible bass in the demo yet the opposite happened? I always try to listen since I can still make no sense of how measurements effect the listening experience regarding speaker amp pairing.