Is going from a Ortofon Candenza Black to a Ortofon Winfield a lateral move?


I have an opportunity to pick up a very low use Winfield at a good price. That said, after moving my Cadenza Black I'll pay at least $750 for the Winfield. The Winfield retails for about $1,400 more but to me the specs look pretty similar. Anybody have any experience with these carts to provide some feedback? Thanks. 
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I am a user of Ortofon Cartridges for a couple of years.
I am happily making my way up the ladder of Ortofon Models.
 
My main stimulant to adopt Ortofon Cartridges was from hearing a Ortofon Vienna as a standard build and then at a later date it had received a modified / Upgrade Build, that incorporated new generation modern Ortofon Technology used in later generation MC's.
The Vienna and Jubilee share similar technology, even though both having a different Spec.
They are early produced models that are using Neodymium Magnets, WRD and Boron.
These technologies are the cornerstone of the Ortofon Sound, that have been successfully built upon.  

Since my ownership of a Kontrapunkt B Ortofon Cartridge that was  modified / rebuilt and has used modern Ortofon MC technology on the build.

The above Cartridges have been A/B Compared, the K'B does not match the Vienna.
The Standard Vienna, from recollection 'when rebuilt', seemed to have a
perceived improvement when I auditioned it.
It was this audition that prompted the decision to rebuild the K'B.

The rebuilt K'B when listened to with the rebuilt Vienna is a more desirable comparison, with the Vienna being noticeably better.

I know of some with the modified/rebuilt older generation Ortofon Cartridges that have rcently began to use Cadenza's in their system, as a additional Cartridge.
Due to the Pandemic and the imposed restrictions, I am yet to audition
a Cadenza in comparison to a Older Generation Cartridge.

Note: all the above comparisons, have taken place on the same TT, Tonearm and Head Shell Model, On a system that is familiar, but not owned.  

I myself have taken this a little further and have purchased a Cadenza Black because of the Latest Technology and Aucurum Wire.
I see this as a Coil Material that will help with producing a SQ I am impressed by.
The C'B is to be modified / rebuilt when the Pandemic recedes.

The C'B and Windfeld are both produced from 2008.
They share similar Materials in their construction.
They Share Neodymium Magnets , Aucurum Wire, WRD and a
Boron Cantilever, 

The C'B and Windfeld have a Different Stylus and the Windfeld has the FSE Technology on board.
How much impact the FSE Technology when combined with the other technology used on a SQ is a unknown to me, and I have no recollection of seeing it discuused.

A research will show there are Stylus available that will be a extremely close match to a Replicant 100 and a C'B could be retipped with a close match stylus.
FG Stylus might be a good place to start, as the Cadenza Bronze are being seen with FG retips.

The Windfeld Ti is produced from 2017 and has a body produced from a New Material Technology Body which is claimed to offer
( Improved Vibration Control )

I am sure there are to be differences perceived for the SQ of  each Cartridge when compared, that is for sure.

I look forward to the reports on the perceived differences, if the OP chooses to take on the Windfeld. 
   

  
As the Windfeld PW and the Cadenza Range were both released for sale in 2008.
They were both able to receive the latest technology on offer from Ortofon.

As the Windfeld is also referred to as a PW, this is to identify it as being a Tribute to the legacy of Per Windfeld' whose work at Ortofon included the Rhomann,  Kontrapunk, Jubilee and I would assume the Vienna .

As said before the Technologies that are used by Ortofon today,
were 'pioneered in some of the above MC's.

The 2008 Windfeld was fully loaded, and the Cadenza Range were given selected technology depending on which model.

If it helps, I have had SUT's in other systems and been quite impressed, I have been fortunate to have been able to hear some of these in my system.
I have formed the view that a SUT not only interfaces with a Cartridge but also with a System.
A SUT that impresses in one system with another Cartridge does always reciprocate in another system with a different cartridge.

The SUT that has really shone in my system with my rebuilt Ortofon K'B is a Cinemag 1251 Transformer bases SUT which I had commission built for myself. 
This SUT has also delivered in one other system, and made a very positive impression on the other listeners.
Covid put a stop to this SUT being used at other systems.
 
The Cinemag 1251 would be quite similar to a Bob's Devices design.