Greg, I imagine going to an opera, recital, and concert is just a total no-no for you. I mean, having to book tickets ahead of time, then on the day of the event having to shower, get dressed, drive, find parking, stand in line etc. is just a real passion killer? Yep, how can that possibly beat watching sport in your boxer shorts? ;-)
Ultimately, if you enjoy something, a little extra effort isnt a factor. But thats only if you really like it. If good sound isnt worth even the slightest effort then CD isnt a bad option.
LOL@Avguygeorge. It takes you ten to fifteen minutes to put on an LP?
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Geggadd +++ I frequently do see sports live. +++
Greg, you frequently go see sports live ... however if you actually liked music you'd go see opera, recitals and concerts frequently instead. Hence, vinyl is too much trouble for you.
Now you start this thread on the analogue board to take a little side swipe at folks who do enjoy music to the level where the additional activities and cost associated with vinyl is of no consequence. Far from making any vinyl-phile think differently, all you are achieving is demonstrating ignorance.
As I said before. If you do not really care much for music, CDs are fine. Vinyl is for people that really like and enjoy music to a high degree. You obviously don't.
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+++ I love music and don't care where it comes from. +++
Correction, you love music but you don't care what it sounds like. You're on the wrong forum.
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Shadorne, I did express myself incorrectly. One can love music without caring about the quality of sound.
Gregg takes the trouble to go to sport events, so he likes sport. He does not take the trouble to go to opera/recitals/concerts. He even considers spinning vinyl as too much trouble. Hence, he likes music a lot less. I think this assumption is both fair and accurate.
To open this debate illustrates he doesn't get it when it comes to enjoying good sound. Good sound is not worth it to him if it requires even a small amount of effort.
I know a couple of serious music lover who listen exclusively to CD. They are as much music lover as I. But they also spend an inappropriate amount on their gear and software, and they also regularly attend opera/recitals/concerts.
It is not about vinyl per se. Gregg doesn't understand the pleasure audiophile get from listening to good sound. Because he doesn't, the effort, time and money invested in our equipment does not make sense to him. It is in his opinion, not worth it.
In short, he is on the wrong forum.
I took the time to look at your system. I am sure you love music too; otherwise you would never have spent the money you have. However, it is clear we seek totally different things in our enjoyment of music.
For me, I don't want to hear my system. I want to hear the piano. Nothing more nothing less. No amount of convenience will ever make a lesser quality sound worthwhile.
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+++ Do you honestly think that vinyl sounds more like live music than CD's? +++
No I don't think so. I know so.
+++ If you do you should get out more often to live unamplified events. +++
I have attended many hundreds.
My wife is classical pianist - I have literally spend thousands of hours listening to piano in my own home.
+++ Both formats are so far from real music that I have heard that any comparisons +++
So you say ... perhaps you should consider an equipment upgrade.
Thank you for telling me who Von Karajan was. Sadly he was not aware that fluorescent lights are in fact little else but gas light.
+++ Pauly, here is a challenge for you. Tell us exactly what makes vinyl more enjoyable to "music lovers" than digital or any other format.+++
I do not normally take challenges, but your question can hardly be described as such so I will indulge you.
The redbook format does not have the bandwidth to contain music. In short, CD is a low resolution format not suitable for high quality audio.
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Chadnliz As I mentioned to Shadorne, I expressed myself incorrectly. I know a couple of 'hard core' audiophile/music lovers that use CD fronted systems.
However, their systems are not set up for convenience, nor are they tight fisted when spending money. Many have no remote for volume and, like me, need to walk across the room to adjust volume. Many of them have spent more on their systems than they earn in a year.
I think people who are happy to sacrifice sound in order to have a little more convenience are not serious about music.
I don't suggest your father is not serious about music. Purchasing 7000 CD he must be very serious.
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Newbee, there is a price of admission, but it is more than just money.
Anybody that really likes music would want to hear it reproduced in the most accurate and natural way possible. Setting up a system to do that invariably takes time, effort and money. Anybody that feels that it is not worthwhile spending time, money and effort in this endeavor is not really serious about music.
All things equal, a CD fronted system cannot match an analogue system. Never has, never will; for all but the very lowest budget.
My apologies for not posting on the music forum. I wasn't aware it was mandatory ...
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Chadnliz you are missing my point. For a normal abled person, listening to vinyl has a very small amount of effort over CD clamp LP, dry brush the LP, the queue the arm, lower the arm, walk back to chair. Somebody that will consciously accept lower quality sound to eliminate this very minor effort, is simply not serious about music.
Each person has limits to the amount of time, effort and money they can spend on something they are passionate about. If you have mobility problems and either totally unable to adjust, or have great difficulty at adjusting a non-remote preamp, it makes no sense not having a remote.
For a normal able bodied person, you are not serious about music if you purposefully get an inferior preamp instead of a superior one for no reason other than convenience of a remote. However, if all things are equal, then I'd get the one with remote without question.
I normally build my own gear. A remote attenuator cost about $500. I can buy better sounding manual stepped attenuator for $100. Which do I buy? $400 can buy some very nice capacitors. Hence, no remotes near my system ... The small inconvenience of the manual unit is worth the better sound.
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+++ So long as we are really only talking about which format can produce the highest quality sound we have nothing to argue about. +++
Newbee, that isn't the topic of the thread. Superiority of vinyl was accepted but rejected as a medium because of inconvenience.
+++ For me, that is all audio is really about, giving us pale but often satisfying sonic images of what a live performance might be like if we could attend. +++
My, that is sad. I don't claim my system can produce an identical reproduction of the real thing, but it sure gets me 'there'. Not pale at all.
+++ Do post about music. The one thing this hobby really needs is an infusion of enthusiasm for music, especially jazz and classical. +++
The best live performances I have attended has been in my own home as an audience of one. And that is not something I care to share.
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+++ To suggest that anyone not willing to commit to analog music reproduction cannot be truly passionate about music is completely without merit.+++
I guess some could read my post and conclude that the intent was as you state above. These would be the same people that necessitated the 'content is hot' warning labels on Starbuck cups.
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LOL@Onhwy61. Nice try. I got back into vinyl this century. Besides my immaturity is psychological, nothing to do analogue.
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+++ So you dont think you cant tell Vinyl from Digital, yet you can tell that people with remotes and no turntable are not "true" music lovers?+++
My my, now you are doing research on my old posts? Sad.
I can tell the difference between digital and analogue. With digital I get listener fatigue and normally lose interest in listening after about 10 to 15 minutes. After 30 min I will have earache and would not be able to listen any more.
Listening to analogue I can listen almost indefinitely without any fatigue. While I have some theories why this is, I simply not sure exactly why that is. It is something that a number of other audiophiles experience also.
As for telling people who have remotes and no TT are not true music lovers; well that is a fabrication of you fertile imagination. I think if you read my posts youd know what I did say, including saying that for all things equal I would most certainly choose a preamp with remote.
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