Is analog & vinyl anoying? Is it worht it.

Pauly, I must recant. I just read your response to Shadrone wherein you admit to knowing audiophiles who are musicophiles as well as digitalphiles. Apparently not vinylphiles. Good for you. Nice to know that some digitalphiles can love music. Now, what I need to know is how much money and effort a digitalphile must spend to become a music lover. That seems to be the price of admission. :-) Ergo, the rich can enjoy music and sound, the poor can enjoy music only thru vinyl, even cheap vinyl systems. Right? :-)

"As I said before if you do not really care much for music, CD's are fine. Vinyl is for people who really like and enjoy music to a high degree. You obviously don't."

What bovine feces. Arrogant, pretentious, etc etc. 'ol "tin ears" is right, tin ears or not! You are making a joke, or a point, but surely you are not serious.

Do you honestly think that vinyl sounds more like live music than CD's? If you do you should get out more often to live unamplified events. Both formats are so far from real music that I have heard that any comparisons, IMHO, are rediculous and no more than an exercise in mental masturbation.

FWIW I'm very familar with both formats in well set up systems and with live music as well as practicing musicians with one great notible exception. I didn't actually know Herbert Von Karajan. I assume you don't know who he was - FYI he was a great orchestra conductor from Germany who was very involved with the recording process as well as conducting his performances - announced upon hearing digital that "everything else is gas light".

The vast majority of musicians I actually know couldn't care less about the differences between vinyl or CD's. What ever is convenient will do just fine. Are you thinking that they don't like music or appreciate what they do with their life?

Pauly, here is a challenge for you. Tell us exactly what makes vinyl more enjoyable to "music lovers" than digital or any other format. But do this without using audiophile terms which only apply to the language of 'sound lovers'.

Bet you can't ..............

Doug, I agree with you totally about Herbert V. But, my point was that he loved digital and he unquestionably loved music. This must have been an 'exception' to Pauly's proclamation. I'm sure there are many others.

Personally speaking I didn't even care for HVK's music all that much and his recordings of it were even less to brag about, much less. On vinyl or later on digital! So much for equipment freaks, musicians or not. :-)

But I love Bernstein, warts and all. His enthusiasm makes up for a lot of excesses. At least he was never bland.

But forgive me for not joining in the analog v digital argument, its old, stale, and unresolvable. But, IMHO, the differences in formats should not give rise to the arrogant denegration of those who don't share either formats advocates opinions, such as that espoused by Pauly.

FWIW

Pauly, ROTFLMAO. You love music so much. You must because of all of your proclaimations. But, interestingly you have never posted a thread or responded to anyone who asked a question about music. Do you consider all posts in the music forum beneath you. Or do you just talk about music in the context of your perferred method of reproducing recordings. You must have something to share about music as valuable as that which you share about audio.

Credit must be given where due. You are consistent. No weak kneed recantations here!

Paul, So long as we are really only talking about which format can produce the highest quality sound we have nothing to argue about.

I just snagged some tickets to hear MTT do M7 in SF - Mahlerphiles eat your heart out!. To get ready I'm going to have to put his previous recording on one of my CDP's. If I was going to hear a performance done by Levine, I'd have to get out my LP of his performance. For me, that is all audio is really about, giving us pale but often satisfying sonic images of what a live performance might be like if we could attend.

Do post about music. The one thing this hobby really needs is an infusion of enthusiasm for music, especially jazz and classical. It won't get more popular if we just talk about audio.

Peace. Have a better day.

Gregadd, So long as I can still be considered one who loves music, if I had to choose one format it would be vinyl. But I would never have voted nor even participated but for Pauly's voting me and others like me out of the 'music lovers' club because we did not worship analog sufficiently for him.

Ironically though I recently put away my vinyl system (Oracle/Benz/ARC SP10) because the majority of music I wanted to hear was on CD's and not on LP. My LP's were culled down to less than 400 keepables, most of which were kept for 'reference' and nostalgia, and my CD's well over 5000. My interest in new music didn't stop when they stopped recording in analog. Just didn't have room any longer for both systems. The only thing that the two systems had in common was the speakers. And, FWIW, they both sounded pretty fine IMHO.

I voted! I'm committed! Everybody happy? :-)