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Interesting ASR review of small GR Research speaker kit

I bounce between various kinds of analysis — more subjective listening reports, more quantitative measurement analyses and, my favorite, those that combine both strategies to tell a useful story about audio products.

Amir of ASR has just done a very powerful takedown of a fairly inexpensive kit being sold by Danny at GR Research. Not only does he prove his point about the speakers, he also makes (to my mind) a very convincing case that Danny put his finger on the scale in how he reported his own measurements. 

I'm not in any camp — Danny's or Amir's or anyone else's. What I appreciate is thoroughness and meticulousness in exposition. Danny does that in his own videos. (Again -- to me. I'm really still learning and cannot easily spot gaps in argument in this subject matter.)

I know people with some of GR's best kits — and I've heard one of them. They sounded incredible. I've watched a bunch of Danny's videos where he criticizes other companies; I've come away thinking, "Wow, he really revealed some of the grift embedded in that product." 

But here, the tables are turned, it seems, on Danny. I hope he responds, both to defend his reputation and methods, but also because it will set in relief where some of the distance may be between these two dominant online figures' methods in assessing what makes for a good speaker.

https://youtu.be/IikqAg38FPs

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holmz
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i thought this video was good. Good channel too. 

That guys has a lot of words… 

I thought the OP mentioned a small DIY speaker, but to me it looks a bit big.

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holmz
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Your prediction of my listening preferences is completely irrelevant to me. To put it politely


I do not believe that it is solely @noske that is being referenced as the one(s) who has/have shown that measurements can be correlated to what people like.

And I do put some stock in the years of research as a way to help identify what is worth pursuing and what should be skipped over. 

To be confrontational to the point that you would defend these speakers seems like a risky pair of speakers to wager on being good. And I say that because we are not exactly talking comparing subtlety different, and subtly nuanced, top shelf gear here.

 

Maybe you can let us know how those GR “Little Giant Killers” sound to you?
Amir said he would sell them at 1/2 price.

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holmz
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Yeah I was talking to you… It looked like you have skin in the game?
And I was thinking it took “a big set” to defend those speakers.

Secondly I am not sure it is prudent to classify @noske of idolatry?

But are you talking about idolatry of ASR, or that of Toole/Olive and countless other researchers? 

Defending a speaker that was deemed bad by ASR and good by others could make sense.
Do some here believe that the GR LGK is a good speaker?
One person posted a 1/2 hour video review of some other speaker, I suppose as proof that the GR was good, however it looked like it was not even the LGK model.

I can appreciate that people do not like AM’s message, or maybe his message delivery… but it seems like it is totally divisive to discount the whole research arm as something to be removed.

In this one on one, I think that I would have to side with AM over GR. That video clip did sound very distorted on play back, and if I was on a desk using them I would want to be able to hit 90dB being only ~1 meter away. 

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