Insane ground loop; anybody wanna try?


I have a ground loop that's been killing me for weeks. I've tried several things to limited or no success. I've written to Mike Sanders at Quicksilver, but I'm a little chagrined to keep asking him questions that aren't really the fault of his gear.

Anybody want to have a go at solving this puzzle? It's driving me nuts, and I'd be grateful for any help.

Relevant equipment:
Rowland Capri preamp
Quicksilver Silver 60 mono amps (EL34)
Sunfire True Sub

Amps, preamp, and sub are all plugged into a Monster 2000, so everything shares a common wall outlet.
Plugging the amps into separate wall outlets has little effect either way.
Amps are damn near dead-quiet with no input, so it's shouldn't be the transformers or the tubes.

Amps plugged in to the preamp (shielded DH Labs RCA cables) hum, and the sub does too. Swapping cables has no effect.
Unplugging and reconnecting sources (a turntable and a Mac Mini via a Schiit DAC) has no effect.
Unplugging the sub has little effect (except it eliminates the hum in the sub, haha).

Lifting the ground on the amps reduces the hum — by about half, but definitely not completely.
A Hum-X has no (or very little) effect, whether placed on the preamp, an amp, or the sub.

For obvious reasons I don't want to lift the ground on the amps permanently.

I'm not an electrical engineer, but I'm a logical guy.

Ideas? I'm open to any with two requests: First, if you don't know something for sure, please say so. I don't want to play in electron traffic because somebody just guessed at a solution. And second, if you disagree with somebody, don't call him names, okay? There's more than enough gratuitous meanness in the world right now without insulting people over stereo equipment. Thanks.
pbraverman

Showing 1 response by askmjo

In my best system I run AG horns, my current Trios are something like 102 db sensitivity or even higher.  They pick up tiny hums, noise, sometimes I think even insects walking around stealthily in my basement. I've run many amps, low and high power tubes and low and high power solid state, and always encounter what I call ground loop issues.  Get out your cheaters and lift all the grounded power plugs, disconnect unused circuits throughout the house, etc, to no avail.  Still the damn hum and noise.
My cure, courtesy of Steve McCormack, now running SMc Audio.
The music source is not the problem.  Make a triangle from your pre-amp to both mono blocks, all three legs.  Ground them to each other, all three legs. Unhook your sub if need be.  Voila, hum is gone, as is any stray noise.  Now, you would think the third leg is redundant.  ie the Pre separately linked to each block, and thus the blocks have a hardwire ground to each other via the Pre.  Well, I did that, two legs instead of three,rid myself of most hum and noise, yet still had some audible hum and noise.  Connecting all three legs equals dead quiet, and perfect source music.
Sound illogical?  Too much work? Hey, it blueprints perfectly in the ground plane, and I use solid copper wire, like 14 or 16 gauge, doesn't need insulation.  Simple really. Avoid 12 gauge solid, not malleable enough, and any stranded copper, not worth the fuss for grounding.  I don't know how you feed music to your sub, but I'm sure you can hook in after you know the noise is gone.  Good luck.  Best regards, Joel