Improve RFI


I have terrible RFI in my basement system.  The RFI indicator on the Universal Remote is always on, regardless of where I locate the sensor, and I have to revert back to using the individual remotes for AVR, Blu Ray, etc.  I also have a surround sound system on the main floor; same AVR, same universal remote, and no RFI.  
  The kitchen is on the main floor and all appliances which are usually identified with RFI are in the kitchen.  The lighting is different in the basement and the washer-dryer and firebox are in the basement.

  Everything I can pull up on RFI seems to be from the ham radio world.  They constantly point to the firebox but there doesn’t seem to be any consensus on how to deal with it.

  Any help would be appreciated 

mahler123

Showing 2 responses by mapman

Good move.

Proper shielding is always a good thing but may not be needed so much or at all  if the problem can be addressed by simply relocating affected components and/or the source of the EMI. 

Mu metal foil is designed to shield sensitive devices.    I use it to shield my phono step up transformer which picks up audible noise from nearby HVAC devices otherwise.  Low level devices like step up transformers in a phono stage are most sensitive.   Line level devices like preamps are less problematic.  
 

Mu-metal can be used for RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) shielding, but its effectiveness depends on the frequency of the interference. [[1]](https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/mu-metal-for-shielding-rf/) Here's a breakdown:

**1. How Mu-Metal Works for Shielding:**

*   **High Permeability:** Mu-metal is a nickel-iron alloy with very high magnetic permeability. [[2]](https://eureka.patsnap.com/blog/mu-metal/)[[3]](https://www.spinquanta.com/news-detail/mu-metal-shield-in-quantum-computers-explained) This means it can easily attract and redirect magnetic field lines.
*   **Shielding Mechanism:** It doesn't block magnetic fields but provides a low-reluctance path, diverting them around the shielded area. [[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal)[[5]](http://www.mu-metal.com/faqs.html)
*   **Low-Frequency Shielding:** Mu-metal is most effective at shielding against static or low-frequency magnetic fields. [[2]](https://eureka.patsnap.com/blog/mu-metal/)[[6]](https://resources.pcb.cadence.com/3d-electromagnetic-simulation/2022-the-impact-of-rf-shielding-effectiveness-on-interference-mitigation)

**2. Mu-Metal and Radio Frequencies:**

*   **Up to 100 kHz:** Mu-metals provide interference control of H-fields (magnetic fields), DC or AC, up to approximately 100 kHz. [[5]](http://www.mu-metal.com/faqs.html)
*   **Reduced Permeability at Higher Frequencies:** The permeability of mu-metal alloys decreases significantly near 1 kHz. [[5]](http://www.mu-metal.com/faqs.html)
*   **Conductivity for Higher Frequencies:** Mu-metal is conductive and *can* potentially shield higher frequency (RF) fields in the 1-100 kHz range. [[5]](http://www.mu-metal.com/faqs.html) However, it's primarily designed for low-frequency magnetic fields. [[5]](http://www.mu-metal.com/faqs.html)
*   **Not Ideal for High RF:** For frequencies above 100 kHz, highly conductive materials like copper, aluminum, or conductive coatings are generally more effective for RF shielding.

**3. When to Use Mu-Metal for RFI:**

*   **Low-Frequency Magnetic Fields:** Use mu-metal when the dominant interference is from low-frequency magnetic fields (e.g., power lines, transformers).
*   **Combination with RF Shielding:** When both high and low-frequency fields are present, mu-metal can be used in combination with other RF shielding techniques. In these cases, grounding the mu-metal and using proper RF shielding practices is important. [[5]](http://www.mu-metal.com/faqs.html)

**4. Limitations:**

*   **Saturation:** Mu-metal can saturate in strong magnetic fields, reducing its shielding effectiveness. [[2]](https://eureka.patsnap.com/blog/mu-metal/)[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal)
*   **Brittleness:** It's a brittle alloy and can be damaged by stress or impact. [[2]](https://eureka.patsnap.com/blog/mu-metal/)
*   **Cost:** Mu-metal is relatively expensive compared to other shielding materials. [[2]](https://eureka.patsnap.com/blog/mu-metal/)
*   **Skin Depth:** At higher frequencies, the skin effect becomes important. [[7]](https://www.eastcoastshielding.com/metal-rf-shielding-guide-optimize-applications.php)  The skin depth is the depth to which an electromagnetic wave penetrates the material. [[7]](https://www.eastcoastshielding.com/metal-rf-shielding-guide-optimize-applications.php)  Thinner layers are sufficient for higher frequencies.

**5. Alternatives for High-Frequency RFI Shielding:**

*   **Copper:** Excellent conductivity, easy to manufacture. [[6]](https://resources.pcb.cadence.com/3d-electromagnetic-simulation/2022-the-impact-of-rf-shielding-effectiveness-on-interference-mitigation)
*   **Aluminum:** Lighter than copper, sufficient high-frequency shielding. [[7]](https://www.eastcoastshielding.com/metal-rf-shielding-guide-optimize-applications.php)
*   **Steel:** Effective for low-frequency magnetic fields due to its high magnetic permeability. [[7]](https://www.eastcoastshielding.com/metal-rf-shielding-guide-optimize-applications.php)
*   **Conductive Coatings:** Can be applied to various surfaces.
*   **Faraday Cages:** Enclosures made of conductive mesh or solid metal, effective at blocking electromagnetic radiation.

**In summary:** Mu-metal is a good choice for shielding low-frequency magnetic interference. [[3]](https://www.spinquanta.com/news-detail/mu-metal-shield-in-quantum-computers-explained)[[7]](https://www.eastcoastshielding.com/metal-rf-shielding-guide-optimize-applications.php) For higher frequency RFI, other materials like copper or aluminum are generally more effective. [[1]](https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/mu-metal-for-shielding-rf/) When dealing with a combination of both, a layered approach using mu-metal for the low frequencies and a conductive material for the high frequencies can be optimal. [[3]](https://www.spinquanta.com/news-detail/mu-metal-shield-in-quantum-computers-explained)


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Learn more:
1. [Mu-Metal for shielding RF - EEVblog](https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/mu-metal-for-shielding-rf/)
2. [Mu Metal: The Ultimate Protector Against Magnetic Interference - Patsnap Eureka](https://eureka.patsnap.com/blog/mu-metal/)
3. [Mu-metal Shield in Quantum Computers Explained \[2025\] - SpinQ](https://www.spinquanta.com/news-detail/mu-metal-shield-in-quantum-computers-explained)
4. [Mu-metal - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal)
5. [MuMetal Relative Permeability](http://www.mu-metal.com/faqs.html)
6. [The Impact of RF Shielding Effectiveness on Interference Mitigation - PCB Design & Analysis](https://resources.pcb.cadence.com/3d-electromagnetic-simulation/2022-the-impact-of-rf-shielding-effectiveness-on-interference-mitigation)
7. [Choosing the Right Metal for RF Shielding: A Detailed Guide to Optimize Performance Across Diverse Applications](https://www.eastcoastshielding.com/metal-rf-shielding-guide-optimize-applications.php)”