Impressions: $1k-$2k integrated amps


Hi there!

Id like to start a thread to collect impressions from about about integrated amps in the $1k - $2k range (new or used). 
How would you describe the character of the sound? How did it “pair” with other items in your rig? Most important, how did it compare with other amps in this category/on this list. 

This is not exhaustive but here’s a starting point:

Belles Aria

Yamaha a-s1100

Yanaha a-s2100 (used)

AVA SET 120 Control 

Anthem i225

Primare i21

Primare i22

Moon by Sim Audio 240i (used)

Rega Elex-R

Marantz PM8006


leemaze

Showing 5 responses by helomech

The A-S1100 and Elex-R are both top of their class. Haven't heard most of the others on your list but have experienced enough integrateds at the price point that I'm convinced you'd be hard pressed to find better than these two.


In the up to $2000.00 range,tube amps from Cayin,Yaqin or Jolida will outperform ANYTHING suggested in a Solid State amp!
I own one of the $3.5K retail Cayins. With the exception of the Yamahas I'd mostly agree with this assertion, though none of these tube amps will be quite as capable in bass extension.
@helomech can you compare your impressions of those 2 amps, their phono stages and their overall pros and cons?
Didn’t experience them in the same system which makes it difficult to say. I’d wager the Elex has the better PRaT and the Yamaha has better bass extension (I surmise based on the fact I’ve only experienced one other amp that rivals the Yamaha in bass extension, regardless of price). As for value, the Elex is certainly the better proposition at their retail prices. Though you can now find closeout A-S1100s for prices very near that of the Elex-R.

With the exception of its excellent bass extension, the Yamaha sounds more similar to a modern tube amp than it does a typical solid-state design. The vocals are a bit recessed in the mix, however -- think 6th row presentation as opposed to the 2nd-row presentation of most SS amps. The Elex-R probably has the flatter bandwidth and superior midbass dynamics, but hard to say for certain.
Can’t speak for the Rega’s phono stage but the Yamaha’s is comparable with $500 - $700 stand-alone units, the MM stage being more impressive than its MC stage.

I happen to own the 1100 and it has been very reliable for over 2 years now. It holds its own against the $6K combinations of separates I’ve compiled recently.
helomech:Ohhh I would have to disagree.There is a dealer on that free site selling the 52 lb.,hand built in Italy including IN HOUSE built transformers,EL34(x 6 tubes) Parallel Single Ended,auto biasing "Box" for a cool $2000.00($3500.00 rtl)..Probably the deal of the decade & I’m betting the bass from that monster will rock my entire apt.bldg...Look at the BIG guns from Ayon & such,they weigh 20-30 lbs more than the most expensive ML or Mac...Haven’t heard one yet but I can’t imagine the bass being anything other than amazing & rivaling most SS amps save for Hegel & similar HIGH damping amps..
Well, it seems you're making a supposition based on product mass. My assertion was based on real experience and ownership with such amps. The only tube amp I've heard that comes remotely close in bass extension (not output) to the MOSFET Yamahas is the Rogue Stereo 100. Unfortunately, it lacks the lush midrange of the Yamahas and most tube integrateds. As with most things in this hobby, there is always a trade-off, sometimes you don't realize a weakness exists until you've heard something better.
@helomech I have the A-S801 (i think in part due to previous recommendations by you). I love it. Is the 1100 a substantially better sound? have you heard the 2100?
I don’t have direct experience with the 801, but assuming it’s better than the A-S500 residing in my closet for a rainy day, I don’t know if the 1100 would be a worthwhile upgrade for you. The MOSFET-based Yamahas give up some of the PRaT and dynamics of the bipolar Yamahas (500/501/801) in exchange for a lush midrange and larger soundstage.

More likely to get a substantial upgrade by stepping up to the 2100. Otherwise, I highly suggest considering Schiit separates. I recently purchased their Freya+ preamp and it’s a ridiculous value, an industry disruptor IMO. I imagine a Freya+ into a Vidar would sound very nice.