Ifi Neo Streamer + Denafrips Terminator 12+


So, a bit of an update and problem:

 

I have connected the ifi neo streamer using aes/ebu to the terminator12+, and it seems to have changed the sound pretty dramatically, but not in a good way. 

 

Somehow, compared to straight USB from my computer, it dulls and smoothes the sound. 

 

The Terminator now shows changes in sample rate when run through the ifi streamer whereas when run directly via usb, it almost exclusively stayed at 44.1.  Using Tidal.

 

I thought using a digital out on the ifi would bypass the ifi's DAC, but, best I can tell, the DAC seems to be doing something in the streamer before sending the signal to the Terminator.

 

I am not the best critical listener, but the difference was immediately noticeable and somewhat dramatic. Again, when running aes through the ifi to the terminator, the sound was dulled and smoother. It just lost something. 

 

On its own, the terminator has been playing music nonstop for over 100 hours. It's still a bit harsh, but better than before. I think this could be because it's a near field set up with Wilson speakers. 

 

Anyway, any idea what's going on with the ifi aes to the terminator?

 

Any idea whats going on?

nlynchard

Showing 4 responses by soix

What AES/EBU cable are you using?  I’d highly recommend using the i2S out on the streamer to your DAC if at all possible (get the i2S pin out configuration of the iFi and check with Denafrips to see if it’s compatible first if you can).  I have a Musician Pegasus DAC, which is very similar to the Pontus ll, and when I switched from the USB to the i2S input (through a Denafrips Iris DDC) the improvement was dramatic.  And this was with using a cheap 6” HDMI cable I bought from Monoprice I got just to make sure the i2S input would work.  I’d say just get the shortest version of this cable you can (i2S doesn’t like distance, which is why I got a 6” cable) and see if it works and provides a significant improvement.  Definitely worth a try in your situation.  Hope this helps, and best of luck.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13578

I2S - how do to check/change the PIN configuration between the ifi and denafrips. They both have I2S out, and I can get an hdmi cable, but, beyond just hooking it up, I'm not sure how to proceed.

I’d ask Denafrips first as iFi customer support is near non existent (so lame) and they may know if the i2S configuration of your streamer is compatible or maybe at least be better able to find out for you.  Also, my DAC has several different i2S input configuration options by pressing and holding the NOS button and cycling thru them, and I suspect your DAC may have something similar so worth checking into as well.  If you have an HDMI cable you can use you can just try hooking the i2S out from the streamer to the DAC’s input and see if it works.  Who knows, you might just get lucky. 

Hopefully a standard i2S pin architecture will emerge because this hit or miss crap is a total PITA and completely unnecessary. 

Totally agree with your assessment of iFi.  I’ve got a Zen Stream that looks like something out of a Jetsons or Star Trek episode that I can no longer get to work over Wi-Fi with MconnectHD and Qobuz, and iFi help is basically non existent.  Argh.  It sounded really good when it worked though and is built like a tank.  I’ll get it working again once I can hardwire it via an Ethernet cable, but it shouldn’t have had to come to that.  Hopefully Alvin will get you up n running on i2S, and if so I look forward to hearing your impressions.  Great DAC BTW.