If you want lame advice DON'T do this!


Have you ever seen a member ask for advice about their system and don't understand why they need to make a change? Mistakes in this hobby are generally expensive. Does a list of components tell you how they sound together as a system? No Does a picture of a room tell you how the system sounds in the room? No. Think about the dollars that have been flushed away because the problem was the room and no matter what you stick in there or how much it cost it won't git er done. A flat in room frequency response is a starting point before changing anything. So, why don't more people post measurements when asking for advice? If you want lame advice DON'T post your system in your profile. If you want good advice post your system and a pic. If you want excellent advice include your in room FR measurements (which almost all modern receivers provide or REW can do for free). 

kota1

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People always talk about how bad the rooms are at audio shows and some years ago I entered one to check out some gear. The door was one of those slow closing types and music was playing so I turned to pull the door quicker than unassisted to close off the noise in the hall. 

As I was closing it with my back to the room I thought to myself, Man....that's some great sounding cello playing and when I turned around, it was Vincent Belanger playing cello in the room. A room a little bigger than my living room.

Next up were the speakers (I forget the brand) playing the same piece and damn if it didn't sound practically the same. Quite the feat and there were no room treatments in it.

Other rooms in the hall of the same size and shape just didn't seem to cut the mustard and that's when I filed in my head that the room, to a point, can have negative effects but it's the gear and the way it's set up. The rest are excuses.

All the best,
Nonoise

I'm not confusing the three cases you mentioned. I was told by professionals who've sat and listened to music for hours at my place that nothing needs to be done to improve the sound in my room.  

I understand the points you're making. I guess I'm just lucky or it could be that minimal room treatments are all anyone really needs, unless they want to make a shrine to the audio gods. 😄

All the best,
Nonoise

I've had a recording engineer who also makes speakers (I owned one of his TL-D1s) and CDs over to my place several times over the years. First thing he did was walk around, clapping his hands and checking out the corners. I asked him if I needed room treatments and he said "No, your room is fine. There's no echo." 

He even pointed up to the popcorn ceiling and smiled. I guess it's better than a smooth flat surface. It's a small room, relatively speaking, but I do sit 9' back from the speakers with the rear wall behind my head. 

Before anyone complains about reflections, remember that if the distance from your head to the rear wall is less than the circumference of your head, your ear-brain mechanism will filter out reflections. Ask any spelunker how they locate someone lost in caves. They put their back up against the rocks and listen. Besides, it takes delays of over 40ms to be perceived as an echo and that's not just gonna happen in my room.

I've also had a high end and well respected audio dealer over a few times and he enjoys my listening space. I use no room treatments at all. Sometimes with a near field listening set up you can get really good sound with not much fuss.

Recording studios are there for getting the most out of a recording and once done, there's no great need, if any, to replicate that same environment. The work is done. Sit back and enjoy the sound.

All the best,
Nonoise

@kota1 

Funny you should mention BestBuy as that's what one member said about your system when he PM'd me. That, and saying you're off your rocker. Tell me, are you getting some kind of commission from pushing your junk here on A'gon. Some kind of kickback? 

What I want to know is what self respecting audiophile would pack so much junk into their listening room like you've done, trying to fix all the problems you get from it with room treatment, when you could have simplified things and spent some of that hard earned cash on a real system, like the real audiophiles you criticize here?

Why anyone would want to build an audio tomb like yours where great sound goes to die is beyond me. Stop with the Adderall and go into detox. By the way, the last time I used a receiver was back in the late '70s. I've moved on to much better options since then.

All the best,
Nonoise

@kota1 

Try as you may, you failed to disguise your animosity in your opening statement. You insult  members of this site by issuing challenges based on faulty premises, hiding behind a transparent veil of what you call civility. You're not fooling anyone.
I stand by my original statement.

All the best,
Nonoise