I wonder how many audiophiles there are these days


There’s a lot of speculation about how this is a dying hobby. I’ve been at this for 40 years, and it certainly isn’t what it used to be. In the old days there were cars and stereos as “toys” and that was about it. Now there’s a long list of competition, together with a general lack of interest in high end sound quality (Pono didn’t make it, which was no surprise). 

My kids friends come over (millennials) and I often get a “wow”, and that’s about it. I keep an old vacuum tube in a drawer to hand them, for the inevitable question “what are those?”. Then I tell them about how I’d go to the drugstore with my dad and do the TV tube test as a regular activity, which usually leads to a strange look and a sudden desire to know what’s for dinner. 

Anyway, there are still many high end equipment companies, probably more than ever, but it’s likely most only sell a handful of units. Serious audio stores are pretty rare, witness the road trips some of us take to just hear a set of speakers. 

If if you define “audiophile” as someone that is seriously interested in this as a hobby, does serious research on components, and is willing to spend a significant sum (which is totally relative), how many of us are there? I suspect at least 10,000, but not more than 50. Total guess, I’m hoping it’s higher because it’s a great hobby and I’d hate to see it get any more rare. 

Probably more important, is whether interest has stabilized. I think it has. There seem to be a lot of younger guys in these forums as well.

What do you think? 
JL


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inna, why do you bother with this forum if it is so bad? Resident critic?

In addition to what has been mentioned I also wonder if there is a decline in solitary contemplative hobbies? Music as an industry is alive and well but I see most people enjoying it as an addition to whatever it is they are already doing.

I think reading is alive and well but as a solitary contemplative pastime it is a lot more mobile than a hi-fi system that requires you to be in a certain place, even a specific position to enjoy.
inna said:

"Everyone is from down under."

A comment on the fallen nature of man?
It seems odd to hear audiophiles questioning the benefits of capitalism. I saw a used pair (or maybe it was 3 pairs) of 1.5m long RCA cables on sale for $18,000. And there will be people who will suggest that they make a real and important difference. Must be nice to be in the 0.0001% eh?

If you’re an audiophile who believes capitalism is evil.......time to sell your gear and give the money to someone.....who is downwardly mobile.
sleepwalker65, I KNOW people who have been raised from poverty by the simple premise and provision of capitalism. In that regard your comment is explicitly false. Second, even in a broader context you cannot substantiate that comment. I've never heard anyone debate the fact that worldwide, capitalism has raised poverty levels. China is a perfect example. And if you don't think that what has gone on there in the last 30 years is capitalism then you're not paying attention. Further, the simple fact of US foreign aid (Sagan would say billions and billions) have rescued millions from starvation and depravation and is unprecedented and unparalleled in world history not just in the pure scope of it but because it is extended to those who can do nothing for us and in many cases who are even our enemies. In fact, countless millions were drawn out of poverty in Europe with the Marshall plan. Contrast that with how those swallowed by the Soviet Union fared. That is purely a product of capitalism. And you will see no such charity extended by any other form of government.
I'm in the Carolina 'wilderness' too. Anecdotally I only know one audiophile and that's the one who used to own my system....and he is actually an ex-audiophile. He no longer owns any gear at all except his piano.
orpheus10 said:

"High end audio is not a necessity, and as each year passes, the middle class is restricted more to "necessities". Not a good recipe for the high end."

I think the logic of this is sound. And surely it is true in many cases. But I think it misses an important point: People will find a way to do what they love to do. Case in point: automobile racing. I am a member of a national racing association (though I do not race, just track days) with regional divisions. You might expect to find a paddock full of well healed gentleman drivers in Porsches and Ferraris but you would be wrong. Sure there are some. But a tour of the paddock will reveal a decidedly working class population of people who scrap together everything they can in order to race. And even at the lowest levels it is terribly expensive. No matter how low end the car it must have a roll cage, race seats and harnesses and the driver must have a helmet, full race suit with shoes and gloves plus a HANS device. And it all has to be current. That's about $3000 at the lowest end possible and that includes no car, no fees, no tires, brakes, fuel, hotels, etc. In some classes a set of tires lasts 2 races and cost $1000. They love it so they find a way to do it. And I know a lot of them....and they are not "living in an upper middle class environmental bubble".

And the hobby/sport is growing like wildfire. Right now. In this economy.

"People who are not aware of this must be living in an upper middle class environmental bubble; which is a good place to be."

I'm sure it is but I don't see the economy being at fault for the decline of hi-fi even if you believe the politically weaponized economic stats.