I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.


I just can't clear my head of this. I don't want to start a measurements vs listening war and I'd appreciate it if you guys don't, but I bought a Rogue Sphinx V3 as some of you may remember and have been enjoying it quite a bit. So, I head over to AVS and read Amir's review and he just rips it apart. But that's OK, measurements are measurements, that is not what bugs me. I learned in the early 70s that distortion numbers, etc, may not be that important to me. Then I read that he didn't even bother listening to the darn thing. That is what really bugs me. If something measures so poorly, wouldn't you want to correlate the measurements with what you hear? Do people still buy gear on measurements alone? I learned that can be a big mistake. I just don't get it, never have. Can anybody provide some insight to why some people are stuck on audio measurements? Help me package that so I can at least understand what they are thinking without dismissing them completely as a bunch of mislead sheep. 

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Atmasphere has numerous posts about amplifier harmonic distortion and listener perception.  Simply stated, vanishingly low harmonic distortion is not necessary.  The harmonic spectrum and linearity of the distortion are more important.  So whether THD is .001% or a hundred times greater is pretty irrelevant.  Clearly measurements matter, it's just that the most commonly cited amplifier measurements aren't the most important regarding sound quality.

IMO a well designed amplifier should both measure well and sound good.

But isn't there enough gear that measures reasonably well and sounds pretty good that we can move on from poorly measuring equipment regardless of how it sounds?

Rather than measures well, let's substitute reliability.  Just for this example high reliability equipment works as designed every time and low reliability equipment only works 50% of the time.  So wouldn't you want to move on from the equipment that has low reliability yet sounds superb?

Why can't you have your cake and eat it too?

@charles1dad I would take product A all other things being equal.

The fact that one component can measure better than another isn't the point of my earlier comment.  I believe audiophiles should not have to accept poorly measuring equipment.  The tube equipment that I see measured in Stereophile actually measure fairly well.  As a group they don't measure as well as the majority of solid state amps, but it's not as if they don't have good measurements.

@russ69 I didn't say the measurements have to be great, they can just be good.  Good is more than acceptable.