I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.

If the interest is truly to share information and help others , it helps to listen to what people say and take their input to heart and respond accordingly rather than discount it. That is well documented common knowledge. Merely preaching on one’s soapbox alone has limited utility. Anyone can do that.

For example if someone requests a summary in 20 words or less or with any restrictions whatever they may be just give them what they ask for. Shouldn’t be hard. Then they should say thank you. That’s how people can click together.  By listening to each other.   Collaborating successfully is a team sport  

Just trying to help.

It’s a stupid and useless debate to start with. People just creating a dilemma where there is none and using that to go off on whatever topic they happen to fancy. Lots of words that translate into chaos because people have to convince others they have some unique insight that others lack. I regret spending the time it took to read this going on about a non issue that adds no value to the quest for good sound. I did it because I like @mahgister’s open mind and often find his comments interesting. This one jumped the shark and missed the mark. Have fun. Cheers!

Not really. Nails scratching on aboard might be represented by numbers. Or the sound of a nuclear blast. But is that music? Maybe. Digital recordings are all numbers but need not all be considered music. Music is a matter of popular opinion. If enough people call it music then it is music. The numbers alone accomplish nothing.  You need a mathematical model that accurately represents all people.  That’s complex!   Good luck!   Better get busy!

Numbers are not objects either. Yet one can represent them. Unlike God. So guess which is more complex? Where did our ability to appreciate music come from?  Not numbers.  Just saying.

Wow the most complex object in the universe! Really? That’s big! Who knew we even had discovered that? Here I was thinking maybe that was God or something similarly impossible to render. I wonder what that sounds like? Hopefully not fatiguing. I think I’ll stick to reggae and Bach. Still can’t quite even figure out what makes my Dog tick.

Hey @mahgister what is your point?  20 words or less please. 😉

People shouldn’t get so offended by measurements. Especially audiophiles who are supposedly more in the know. It makes one sound insecure. Without measurements there would be nothing to judge. Zealots on the other side of the fence would be well advised to take a chill pill too.

Of course nothing will change as usual. People love to rant and declare how wrong everyone else is.  That’s it in a nutshell. 

Ideology trumps all for some.