I changed a Tube and…


I liked it!
 Have a Rogue Audio Cronos mag lll bought it years ago as original Cronos Mag  sent it in last year for the upgrade to lll .  Never changed any of the original tubes .

The amp was lightly used due to my changing amps like regularly. Decided to stick with Cronos and and have really enjoyed it . 
Playing vinyl for the majority of time and seem satisfied with Triode mode .  Amp runs perfectly no noise at all but thought about all the threads regarding tube rolling  especially the center 12au7 . 
pulled out the stock JJ and found a Genalex  Gold Lion ECC82/B749 (12au7)  bought them 7-8 years ago .  
Put the GL into center position and was thinking “am I going to really hear a difference “???   Figured I listen to a few LPs and maybe I’d notice something different good or bad Maybe ? after all it’s just one tiny tube !

Well I was blown away !, 30 seconds in listening to “two of a mind “ Desmond /Muliligan  things just got a whole lot more musical 🎶. Hard to describe everything seemed improved , midrange was wow ! Soundstage was better , etc .

Went to another familiar favorite Grant Green “ Idle Moments “   Oh yes the magic is here too 

Is this even possible or am I under a placebo delusion  lol 

Now I’m really wondering what about the other 2  12au7’s  and even the 2 -12ax7’s

what else am I missing ? 

 

 

 

mfm22

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Changed the GL out for a Telefiunken 

yes it’s even better , midrange sweet , overall is smoother than GL. Seems like imaging is excellent 

 

these tube sockets are pretty tight , little patience and wiggles needed

I've seen plenty of threads & videos about tube rolling and guess I was a bit skeptical about actual results . 

Guess I have seen the truth , pretty amazing results . 

There is a downside to this , how much will I be wondering about ' maybe this tube is even better ?   etc. 

 

I have the original kt120 tubes -   I do have a bunch of tube 12au7 & ax7's 

bought a few years back thinking i'd change / roll - never got to it .

found the Gold Lions in a Box with some Mullard EL34'S [ For Dynaco ST70] 

and figured i'd try one - being new I wouldn't have doubts on the wear .

 

not sure about those prices from Brent - ? 

I’ll be trying other tubes for sure. 
always looking for larger soundstage , and warm midrange

these Gold Lions are a big step up from the JJs but I can hear that they are a little brighter 

“What do you mean by that - too inexpensive?

The new production tubes you are using currently retail for $60+ per tube.

The tubes I mentioned are cheap as chips and they may further rock your world of tube rolling.”

I’ll revisit the site , last time I looked prices seemed higher but then all nos tubes are getting $

I’ll look for ones you mentioned ….thanks for advice

helomech -Interesting take  appreciate the info . 

I had the Gold Lions sitting new for years [ forgot i had  them ]  So it was an easy choice to use one of them .

 

I went digging deeper into my cabinets & found all kinds of  NOS tubes  .

Most being 12au7 & 12ax7's  these were bought 2015 / 2016 - must have thought I'd tube roll down the road  ?   Have Mullards , RCA Clear tops , Telefunken , Sylvania  etc..   

I had some receipts - sellers were Brent Jesse / Andy VTS / Bryce ? 

Do not want to go down the tube rolling Hole - did that with Amps / Speakers and wind up listening to equipment not Music 

I can see the logic in new production being reliable  but sonics are tricky with any thing  NOS vs New .  I'll probably pick up the Gold Pin as that was mentioned by Bill at Rogue - he did say NOS / Vintage could be better and mentioned Jesse & Andy .

 

Just a thought - The Gold Lions I have are 10 yrs old - I wonder if there is a quality difference to current production ?

Seems like everything made today suffers from less quality control / cheaper materials  etc.  [ everything = TV's, Refrigerators , Washer / Dryers , AC'S / Cars , EVERYTHING!! ]

I’m going to leave it be for a week or so 

hoping they have lots of hours in them 

it was like finding a treasure chest a bunch of NOS tubes . 
Maybe a good thing that sockets are so tight , discourages user from excess swapping  lol