Huge sound stage

Since you didn't ID your old stuff its hard to answer your question except in general terms, but you did say something which I'm not sure I have ever experienced in a properly operating system (not to throw water on your experience).

In a general sense, the most likely candidate for soundstage improvement is the source - you've got to get it out of the pits. So I would nominate the CDP. The pre-amp should be able to pass all of the infor on to the amp without commentary, which the Pass should easily be able to do.

However, your description of your sound seems either over the top, or you have something hooked up wrong.

In a properly set up system (including speakers) the only sounds you should hear outside of your speakers (on the same plane as your speakers) should be 'out of phase sounds'. While there is out of phase sound on many recordings it is not the type that should draw much attention unless the recording engineers wanted to create a special effect.

The in-phase sounds should appear to come between your speakers and a mono signal should be heard exactly mid point between your speakers. Only sounds recorded out of phase should appear to come from more vague places such as to the left or right of your speakers.

It sounds to me as if you may have your channels set up out of phase. The result of doing this will give the immediate impression of having a huge soundstage. This is easy to check - play a recording with a vocalist - you should get a very defined image of the voice in one specific place. Obviously, check your cable connections to insure that each set is properly connected to amp and speaker - that you have not accidentially reversed one set.

Lkdog,

I didn't mean to confuse you.....

The key here is 'properly set up' meaning that you have, for example, minimized your reflection points and are hearing the direct sounds from the speakers from the sweet spot. When you have set up your speakers and have not delt with the reflection points sufficiently then speakers which have a fairly flat output well off axis will in fact be bouncing in phase sounds off the walls, ceilings, floor, etc, and create are larger BUT more diffuse sound stage. That is exactly why so many folks pay such strict attention to room acoustic's and treatment, or some folks like omni's.

Another thing I have found is that when folks say they are hearing sound outside of the speakers, and its not out of phase sound from the recording itself, they are referring to sounds that are appearing well beyond the plane of the speakers (behind the speakers) but when you draw a line from the listener to the speaker and beyond to the wall, the sound still appears within the triangulated area.

It is inherrent in the stereo process that in-phase sounds heard thru speakers which are accurate reproducers, typical dynamic point source speakers for example (not omni's etc which are designed to put out a signal in many directions) will only be heard between the two speakers.

However, properly set up speakers, in a well treated room, will at the listening position, allow you to hear all of the recorded information, including out of phase information which is what give the impression of sounds beyond the sides of the speakers. If you don't set up your speakers exactly and treat your room accordingly, you will loose a lot of the very subtle out of phase info on the recording and you will only have sound between the two speakers.

This can easily be played with by using a test disc with in-phase and out of phase sounds. Using one of these disc's when playing out of phase you should not have a centered image at all, and if you are properly set up the sound should sound as if it were coming from all about your room - which, BTW, is a very tough condition to recreate! Its easy to get a vague sound in the part of the room with the speakers, but getting it to sound as if its coming from everywhere equally is a real challenge. And, as you might suspect, the better you can reproduce out of phase info the better your inphase (and overall) sound will become.

FWIW.