How to tell if the record is worn out?


Hi
On my recent trip to WFMU annual record show i encountered a problem that i've never dealt with before.Out of 50 records that i bought there 30 turned out to be worn out to a point where you can't even listen to them.Visually they look perfect though as if someone carefully played them from the beginnig to the end a 1000 times on a bad turntable,not a single scratch or fingerprint.I don't know if i's just a bad luck or since the show became annual instead of twice a year maybe many dealers do not care about returning customers any more?Is there any way to tell if a record is in bad condition?Maybe i should bring a big magnifying glass with me next time,the problem is:i don't know what to look for.Any opinions on this one?
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Unfortunately, it is not possible to visually inspect a record and tell whether it's going to be ok. Making the problem worse is the fact that there are dealers at shows that cosmetically treat their records to make them look perfect. I'm not sure how they do it (perhaps someone else can chime in with an opinion on this), but the records look absolutely fabulous. In fact, they look too good to be true, and you know what they say about that. If I'm buying at a show, I'd actually rather buy a record that looks less than pristine, or a record that has not actually been cleaned as I don't really know what someone has done to clean that record. If they've manually cleaned and not vacuumed the record, there is a very high possiblity that all they've done is solidify a bunch of crap in the grooves so that even I can't get it out with an effective wet cleaning and vacuum.

On the other hand, there are many records that don't look particularly great that clean up remarkably well. The upshot of this is that I do the bulk of my used record buying at places that offer very cheap prices (read 50 cents to a buck or two max) and for more expensive fare stick to dealers that offer a return privelege if the record is not up to standards. Shows are a crapshoot.
I clean with the RRL fluids as well on a KAB EV1 and have also had records cleaned on a Monks so I know what a clean record looks like. As I said above, if it looks too good to be true, it usually is. When a 20-50 year old record has an unusually high, extremely shiny "gloss" to it (far beyond what a record cleaned on a good machine using RRL does) and shows virtually no imperfections (I'm not averse to imperfections-many of them are not audible), it is indicative of some kind of cosmetic treatment that may or may not effect sound quality. And based on my experience, I'd say that "cosmetic treatment" may do one of two things: 1) hide extensive groove damage that might be visible had the record not been treated or 2) literally cement every bit of crap into the grooves rendering the record (at least from my perspective) unplayable. I've bought a record (fortunately only one and for $10) like this at a show that looked flawless and even after 3-4 cleanings using the RRL showed absolutely no improvement with respect to outrageously high surface noise (not actual groove damage). That record had definitely been treated and it wasn't with something that did anything good for it.