How to remove ground pin on power cable


This is a power cable being used for my subwoofer. I have a ground loop currently. According to the manufacturer of my subwoofer, due to it's design, it is perfectly safe to remove the ground. Right now I do so with a cheater plug but I would like to avoid having to use it. The power cable in question is Oyaide Black Mamba V2

How easy is it to take a power cable apart and disconnect the ground? Is it best to do so at the IEC side or the pronged side? What is the process for doing this?

Thanks
nemesis1218

Showing 6 responses by millercarbon

So you guys think its fair to nitpick me to death, then remove my post so people don’t get the explanation. Its okay for you to use my words, but not me. Someone, not all but some number of you, are the most despicable spineless weasely lowlifes imaginable. 
Hey Jim!

All the voltage in the 120V AC used in home audio returns to ground via circuit and chassis ground. The two wires coming in, one is hot the other is ground. So even with just two wires your component is grounded.

This is the way all components were made for many years. Decades. Millions of homes in the USA are to this day still wired this way. Its both electrically and historically ignorant to try and say it is unsafe to disconnect a ground.

Sad to say that is the reality, millions of electrically historically ignorant people crowd the forums, so many they drown out the few who actually know what they’re talking about. Their irrational fraidy cat fear combines with their ignorance and that’s how you get the know it all whose name we won’t mention who told me I would kill myself and burn down my neighborhood if I tried to look inside my amp. Lethal even when unplugged.

Yeah. Right. Just like its unsafe to not have two grounds.

Which like I said, ignorance and irrational fear abounds. Now you know we have two grounds, the utility ground everything has plus the redundant earth ground they made us add. But that’s not enough. Nothing is ever enough when you’re irrational fear mongering. Now we need to also ground everything to the plumbing. Three grounds!

There always comes a point in every discussion of electricity where the common sense ends and Nervous Nancy and the Technobabbler’s take over. This is it. The end of the common sense. And now, without further ado, performing twenty five shows a day for endless nights only, our encore presentation of Nervous Nancy and the Technobabblers!
miller, as much as I appreciate 99% of your posts, I’m not sure how you defend your position on this. It’s simple. The ground is the only safeguard in the event that any metal item becomes energized due to an equipment defect or failure. 

You're right it is pretty simple. The two wires in a two wire system, only one of them is hot. That's your 120V. The other wire is ground. Technically called neutral but this brings up the first redundancy. There's ground where any voltage potential goes into the actual earth ground. A rod driven deep into the ground. The neutral wire is also ground, only in the common layman's sense of grounding. I don't always get all pedantic in explaining. The ones who know will understand and the others will get triggered and then I can pick and choose whether to ignore the ones who get triggered or try and explain. 

I say try because it hardly ever works. Oh well. 

I don't by the way have a whole lot of respect or patience for "code". Having learned from a journeyman electrician and having wired a whole house, twice, my experience with "code" is some moron making you re-do a whole weeks work because he thinks you should have an extra 1" of wire in the box. Or 1" less. They are that retarded. Meanwhile, in other "code" I have to install hurricane clips to hold my roof on. We have yet to record a hurricane in Seattle. Code can, as the Robert Duvall character in Jack Reacher would say, "Suck it!"

Our house was built in 1952. I can't tell you what the code requirements may have been then. Jim may know. Everything was wired with two-conductor cables, forerunner of romex, I guess. All the boxes, etc, were metal, and they all were connected with a dedicated ground wire, one to the other.
 

Wonderful story. Really. Charmed. What that has to do with anything I haven't the foggiest.

Look. Those old homes. Forget the metal boxes. Forget they are connected. Forget they are grounded. Why? Because I want you to think of something evidently never occurred to you before.

All those outlets they have how many plugs again? Oh yeah- two. And the stuff you plug into them? Two wires, right? One hot, one neutral. Just like I said. 

So now here's the question: When your whatever it is connected with two wires somehow gets energized, of what use exactly is the metal outlet box being grounded? Anyone? Beuller?

None. None at all. What happens is the component, the whatever it is, the neutral wire carries the charge right back to the utility ground. Just like it always does. Which is why nobody electrocuted themselves all those decades using the old system.

Never had anything to do with the outlet boxes being grounded. That my friend is what we call a redundancy. Never did have anything to do with the safety of the stuff plugged into it. Not until the third wire came along. Technically, not even then. The third wire, the true earth ground, is merely another redundancy.

What happened, as if anyone cares, is people with real lives became so wealthy and so comfortably numb they didn't care when the morons who think 1" more or less in the box really matters came along and said, "You've got millivolts of voltage potential on that neutral wire, we can eliminate that infinitesimally micro risk that hasn't caused a single death in a million man-years." And we said, "I don't have the foggiest what "potential" means but "voltage" sounds scary so yeah sure go for it."

So now you know. That's how I defend my position. By being right. Works every time. 
millercarbon:
There always comes a point in every discussion of electricity where the common sense ends and Nervous Nancy and the Technobabbler’s take over. This is it. The end of the common sense. And now, without further ado, performing twenty five shows a day for endless nights only, our encore presentation of Nervous Nancy and the Technobabblers!

That's some kwisatz haderach level presience there, fellas.
I can think of 101 ways by which a chassis can become live. 


I can only think of two: Frankenstein. Frank N Furter. 99 still to go. You got me.
What Erik said.

Yeah. In know. But when he's right, he's right. Not that I would recommend electrical tape. Not when there's heat shrink. And if you're gonna use tape at all at least make it fo.Q tape.

Still and all, credible.